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Decline and fall: how American society unravelled
Guardian UK ^ | The Guardian, Wednesday 19 June 2013 12.47 EDT | George Packer

Posted on 06/20/2013 10:36:14 AM PDT by Perdogg

Thirty years ago, the old deal that held US society together started to unwind, with social cohesion sacrificed to greed. Was it an inevitable process – or was it engineered by self-interested elites?

In or around 1978, America's character changed. For almost half a century, the United States had been a relatively egalitarian, secure, middle-class democracy, with structures in place that supported the aspirations of ordinary people. You might call it the period of the Roosevelt Republic. Wars, strikes, racial tensions and youth rebellion all roiled national life, but a basic deal among Americans still held, in belief if not always in fact: work hard, follow the rules, educate your children, and you will be rewarded, not just with a decent life and the prospect of a better one for your kids, but with recognition from society, a place at the table.

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To: ogen hal

They seem to think “they’ve got theirs” and they could be right. In the meantime their compassion for people are limited to people who think like them. Democracy? Yes. Finally they have arrived! Everything eventually comes out in the wash. Lots of carcases in the dryer vent tho. Especially those who disagree. They will run out of other people’s money eventually. Well, already have. Fact Jack!


41 posted on 06/20/2013 11:41:04 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Perdogg

Identity politics, along with the surging dependent class, combined with the breakdown in the family structure caused a shift from rugged, traditional individualism to a clamoring for the government to provide virtually everything.


42 posted on 06/20/2013 11:51:20 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: BenLurkin

LOL!


43 posted on 06/20/2013 11:57:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Perdogg
Decline and fall: how American society WAS unravelled

Anybody who thinks it wasn't intentional at the highest levels is not awake and doesn't know their history.

44 posted on 06/20/2013 12:07:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: Convert, submit, or die.)
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To: PATRIOT1876

The Guardian is an ultra-left newspaper that does not represent British thought. The UK also has right-of-center daily newspapers, which is more than can be said of the US.


45 posted on 06/20/2013 12:09:22 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Da Coyote
Earth to Guardian dolts, the word “greed” should be replaced with the word “progressives”.

Right on. Greed comes in all forms. Greed for power, as the progressives practice, is still greed.

My theory is the 60's college radicals who saw that they could bring a university to it's knees by "sitting in" took that a huge step farther by now wanting to bring long standing institutions to their knees for greed of power (if alone) and replacing those institutions with those of their own making. They are the post 60's democrats of today.

They were spoiled brats then and are spoiled brats now.

46 posted on 06/20/2013 12:15:14 PM PDT by llevrok (We are in a new Cold War. At home.)
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To: Perdogg

Revisionist history. It was FDR who started us down the road to socialist hell.


47 posted on 06/20/2013 12:20:01 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: llevrok

Moral relativism and envy.


48 posted on 06/20/2013 12:22:07 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Da Coyote

Indeed, haters love to nuke other haters too.


49 posted on 06/20/2013 12:42:30 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Da Coyote

Indeed, socialist political exploitation of the people by politicians and singers and what not, became the good thing to do, while using your own ingenuity and Republic became smoehow evil, despite using no exploited service labor, quite an independent profit.

Progressives’ greed lay at their own feet of calling the engineer greedy while getting votes and moneys for mere notes on a partition from people. It is that stupid. And the nation is still being taken apart, dismantled and dissolved with illegal immigration in the name of stopping greed.

The sad part is that sick rhetoric works. Latinos will vote down the Republic and bring in the same democratic trash they tried to avoid back home back into their own US neighborhoods. SMH.


50 posted on 06/20/2013 12:49:39 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: expat2
* The Guardian is an ultra-left newspaper that does not represent British thought. The UK also has right-of-center daily newspapers, which is more than can be said of the US.*

True. If there are any right of center newspapers in the US, they are in tiny towns that no one ever heard of.

Perhaps the World Guardian in Hooterville run by Sam Drucker...

...although Sam would be about 110 by now so he's probably dead by now...

...also, he's a fictitious character...

51 posted on 06/20/2013 1:00:24 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: ScottinVA

Indeed, we have replaced the Abraham concept of charity/pay for “family building” with the “family pleasure” of the gay feeling prostitution exploitation agenda. Political Correctness and infantile emotionalism is what destroyed it all.


52 posted on 06/20/2013 1:01:49 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Perdogg

The year I graduated high school and went into the Army. Remember it like it was yesterday, in some ways. In others, it’s like a previous life or ancient history.


53 posted on 06/20/2013 1:05:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Perdogg

He has some points. Free Trade is not a “good” thing, of course it doesn’t exist.


54 posted on 06/20/2013 1:11:46 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Perdogg

I’ve only quickly perused the article and read many of the FR comments but your comment reflects my sense of the article. From the personal perspective of one who graduated college and entered the world of work (via the US Army) in early 1978, I’ve felt an uneasy sense of being at the middle of an unraveling. The most unsettling thing is that I’ve done things right in the traditional sense on raising a family, having responsible jobs, giving back to the community, etc. but now it seems about to fall in on me just as I reach toward the payoff point. The potential of our system has become illusory, IMO, and this article adds to my unease.


55 posted on 06/20/2013 1:17:52 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: tet68; All

“progressing” it...


56 posted on 06/20/2013 1:26:14 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Bronzewound

“Check the comments below the Guardian article. Constant referencing of Marx. Disgusting.”

That’s because no one ever died due to marxism. /s


57 posted on 06/20/2013 1:27:04 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: mm427
1. The 19th amendment.

Of the four amendments (16-19) from the Progressive era, 19 was probably the least harmful.

Without 16, which funds a bigger government, and 17, which removes the States influence on the Federal government, 19 would be harmless.

58 posted on 06/20/2013 3:38:13 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Perdogg; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Perdogg.
In or around 1978, America's character changed. For almost half a century, the United States had been a relatively egalitarian, secure, middle-class democracy, with structures in place that supported the aspirations of ordinary people. You might call it the period of the Roosevelt Republic.
Yeah, good one.


59 posted on 06/20/2013 7:09:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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