Posted on 06/15/2013 10:40:21 AM PDT by JSDude1
Just a question to all Freepers: It is clear that the central planners for years have created this Federal Leviathan that is neither practical and is also restraining on our Constitutional rights. So my question is: How do we in essence (either through public relations, pulling the "right strings", changing laws to cause them to effect one another so as to reverse our large Government)?
How do we in essence reverse engineer the Federal Government and all the onerous laws? (This is a discussion thread): AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY DEFEATISM like "It can't be done".
What ever the solution is, it’s not voting.
Post evem more! LMAO.
Nothing will happen.
Obama, Pelosi and Reid know that we are the weakest generation America has yet seen.
The US belongs to them now.
We are merely posters, emailers and callers to Rush.
plant worms in the databases.
No, I’m not. I say, let the market determine the value of a vote.
Currently, voting has no cost, other than the small amount of time and inconvenience required.
When an item is free, there is a deadweight societal cost. In the case of voting, the value of a vote has been diluted by those who have no stake in the outcome other than to ensure they get a piece of the spoils.
For net recipients of transfer payments, there is a positive value to voting. For net payors, the best argument for voting is that by voting, one can attempt to lessen the amount of property the state will confiscate.
If there are no spoils to be had, then there would be no justification for the entire leviathan state apparatus.
But my idea won’t happen. The US will eventually collapse economically. The system is thoroughly corrupt, and I welcome the collapse.
A man can’t stand, he can’t fight.First, we need to “break their legs”, how do we do that? — We put them in a position where they cannot stand against the states w/o revealing their rebellious nature.
A man can’t breathe, he can’t fight.
A man can’t see, he can’t fight.
The truth is that with this immigration bill we could legally eviscerate a lot of the Federal Government’s ruling elite, breaking their legs w/o them noticing and throwing dirt in their eyes to anger them in to [trying to] move. [See here; or a more detailed version here.]
Shiva
There is a hawk that is picking the birds out of our sky,
She killed the pigeons of peace and security,
She has taken honesty and confidence from nations and men,
She is hunting the lonely heron of liberty.
She loads the arts with nonsense, she is very cunning
Science with dreams and the state with powers to catch them at last.
Nothing will escape her at last, flying nor running.
This is the hawk that picks out the star’s eyes.
This is the only hunter that will ever catch the wild swan;
The prey she will take last is the wild white swan of the beauty of things.
Then she will be alone, pure destruction, achieved and supreme,
Empty darkness under the death-tent wings.
She will build a nest of the swan’s bones and hatch a new brood,
Hang new heavens with new birds, all be renewed.
Robinson Jeffers
Since Congress has never honored the states' efforts in calling a CC, each state should pass legislation nullifying federal income tax and make it illegal for its citizens to make any form of income tax payments to the federal government illegal.
Unfortunately, it's not going to make a difference, IMO. We're in a flat spin and have too little room to maneuver before crashing - thank you cloward & piven. Best prepare to eject.
Something else, IMO, if the FED stops QE, prepare for immediate impact (i.e., eject!, eject!, eject!). I don't think they will stop though. I look for major decrease in purchasing power of the dollar.
Psalm 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
Well, my thinking is the Fire Preventers, Us, will come in and clean up the disaster.
The fire starters aren’t conciously competent and not particularly good thinkers.
They will however respond forcefully when they discover what has been wrought on them.
Full time hours in the service industry will be cut to 28. Overtime? Gone, and that is money they desperately need otherwise they wouldn’t work the hours.
They’ll be required to get two jobs. That will necessitate drive between the jobs that didn’t have to do before and they will be working irregular hours and many will become sleep deprived.
Further, pain will be inflicted once the fines are imposed and even more when they learn what procedures will be denied.
They’ll get even more pissed when they take suddenly get cut back or denied.
It’ll get under their skin further when they are required to make lifestyle changes to receive further care and medicine.
The hilarious part will be once the fulfill the HHS requirements to lost weight, stop smoking, stop drinking and many other changes will be required of them and then at some point they HHS will say “You don’t need those drugs anymore”.
Then when their parents and grandparents are being denied care as a cost effective measure and what the value of their life is based on age, it will dawn on them what Fk;d up idiots they have been.
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.
Why? The bigger they are...
In order to “reverse enginer” the Federal Leviathan, it helps to have a healthy knowledge of history and what the Founding Fathers’ beliefs ans intentions were when they created the Constitution. The most important thing to understand is that America was fortunate enough to have the gift of these great minds come together at one time in history to develop the most important document ever written and to create the greatest nation on earth.
Everyone we have elected to public office since that time has been of lesser ability, lesser intellect and have, instead, allowed their own ego, greed and ambition to determine their political path. Each, in their own way, has tried to alter the Constitution and the rule of law in a small way so that they added THEIR particular influence on the way our government operates and deviates from what the Founders intended.
Today, the America we have resembles nothing like the America envisioned by the Founders. The Congress was granted the authority to make law, but the Congress has passed their authority to endless numbers of unelected agencies with the authority to create “rules” and “regulations” that may be imposed on all Americans. This is not what the Founders intended. In addition, the Congress makes laws simply to make laws so they can justify their own existence. The Founders envisioned the Congress as a body that met when necessary to conduct the business of the people and, when they were done, they went home. Compare that to the Congress of today.
So, there is no simple solution to reverse engineering the Federal Leviathan and making more less. IMO, we have three choices before us to accomplish the goal of smaller government - 1) rebel and take control of the government from the corrupt politicians and restore the Constitution as the law of the land, 2) conservative states secede and re-form as a separate country bound by the Constitution and following the intentions of the Founders, or 3) do nothing and let the country either implode or be taken over by one of the many enemies of freedom and liberty. Eventually, the same passions that drove the Founding Fathers will drive a new group of patriots who desire freedom and liberty more than they desire tyranny and oppression. And, the cycle will begin again because, as history shows us, we learn nothing from history.
When the US dollar collapses, the power of the Federal government will vanish. It will be a terrible convulsive time and the government will attempt to impose a new currency; if we can develop a secure online currency beyond the reach of central command, we may have a chance to regain America.
Say for instance Social Security: it was created through deception by the Franklin Roosevelt Administration. How do we dismantle this system (and bring in the free market) without disrupting lives: It would be disastrous for many to simply “abolish SSA” in one swoop, but if we (continued) to pay for those who are retired and reliant upon this system (the believe they were promised this SSA by the government) yet ALLOWED those who opt out to invest in some kind of retirement account invested at their discretion instead of paying into SSA/the general budget. (and if someone is partly paid into SSA-well give them a choice to continue with that, or to opt out for the remainder).
Then we have transitioned to a free market (and gotten government) out of the retirement business in 20-30 years without disruption of lives..
It`s The Beast System.
No mortal will defeat it.
The monster cannot live without money. So the first way to fight the monster is to slash its budget. But that can only go so far. The next thing is to elect a president who is willing to cut the power of the office of the presidency, then slash the agencies of the federal government.
That is, the Republican congress will have to work with a Republican president to reduce the size of the government. And it is also essential that the federal judiciary be on board.
A great opportunity for this just happened, with the suggestion that the executive branch has been actively spying on federal judges, and by inference, their families.
A critical opportunity for a Republican president will happen in appointing new justices to the SCOTUS.
A CC is about the last thing in the world that we want.
It would be run by the same fools and barbarians who elected The Won, and yield a new Constitution that decrees that the Federal Government SHALL provide everything they desire to all citizens, for free, from birth to death.
Negative on the CC.
I think we've already got about the last thing in the world we want. Enjoy...
I believe (without double checking) the term for law here is actually the Hebrew “torah.” Literally it means “teaching.” God’s the professor, He’s giving the lecture, but nobody’s listening.
No human method is going to clean up this mess. None.
A Constitution which was as blessed as it was, was forged by a group of forefathers who put great stock in a providential God, though differing in how they treated theological details (some outright Christian, some Deist). Perfection wasn’t needed to be useful to and blessed on an earthly level by a providential God; only sincere dedication according to what they knew of this God (and all agreed on using the bible as their central text).
Until these spiritual conditions are recreated, this won’t recur. The very best thing to attempt would be for sincere, devoted Christians to spearhead a movement entailing both prayer and work. Some people find a big spiritual value in fasting; that’s fine as long as you’re not also judging your Christian neighbor who effectively works and prays but doesn’t fast. Satan would love to split up a pan-Christian movement over spiritual pride.
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