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Feds Say: 'Pilots Have No Rights'
Flying Magazine Online ^ | Jun 13, 2013 | Robert Goyer

Posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:00 PM PDT by CodeToad

Flying has obtained information from a law enforcement source about the federal program that detains pilots upon their arrival at their destination airports and searches their airplanes. Training for the program was conducted via an “aviation drug interdiction” class sponsored by HIDTA (High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area), a government organization that is a conglomerate of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to fight, as the name implies, drug traffic.

...airplanes are approached often at gunpoint and usually by local law enforcement, who detain them until the Citation lands and federal agents arrive on scene. They are then ramp checked and they have their airplanes searched.

...pilots were to be treated as though they had no right to refuse the search. “What they taught law enforcement officers and agents was that all aircraft can be detained since they all fall under the . . . authority of the FAA.” He continued that, “this in effect gives them complete search authority of any aircraft.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dhs; hidta; pilots; rights
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1 posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:00 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad

Except if they are muslim or gay airplanes...


2 posted on 06/14/2013 12:37:06 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: CodeToad

Another victim of the WOD. How much power are we willing to give the government in order to stop people from smoking a doobie and eating Cheetos?


3 posted on 06/14/2013 12:38:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: CodeToad
Feds Say: 'Pilots Have No Rights'

I think that they really mean that anyone with a job has no rights.
4 posted on 06/14/2013 12:41:09 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: lavaroise

Because airplanes are under the jurisdiction of the FAA the pilots lose all 4th Ammendment rights according to the LEOs doing the training. Pathetic. Using this logic the Feds can.search almost anything without a warrant.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 12:43:37 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: CodeToad
What they taught law enforcement officers and agents was that all aircraft can be detained since they all fall under the . . . authority of the FAA.

Interesting.

I cannot locate the Article/Section of the U.S. Constitution which states that the 4th Amendment does not restrict the powers of the FAA.

6 posted on 06/14/2013 12:43:53 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: CodeToad

Doesn’t sound legal to me. I wonder if they have tried to use any of what they found in court?


7 posted on 06/14/2013 12:44:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: CodeToad

Most likely, the Feds are looking forward to the opportunity to confiscate an airplane.


8 posted on 06/14/2013 12:46:09 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Jack Black

Can’t hardly wait for tsa and dhs to start doing random stops and searches on the interstates. That should be a barrel of laughs. My wife looked at me real funny when I mentioned that to her. It’s comin’. Will we have to file trip plans kinda like flight plans in the future? Obtain and pay for permits for excess CO2 emissions for the trip?


9 posted on 06/14/2013 12:47:48 PM PDT by rktman
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To: CodeToad

The FAA the can search an aircraft. Everyone else needs a warrant.


10 posted on 06/14/2013 12:50:59 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: lavaroise
...gay airplanes...

they don't need airplanes if they are light enough in the loafers....

11 posted on 06/14/2013 12:51:46 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Ah yes, the unbounded privileges of the War On Drugs.

Wouldn’t it be easier to call in a SWAT team to dispatch the annoying pilot?


12 posted on 06/14/2013 12:52:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: CodeToad; All
Worse...

Because of sequestration, Oboingo and crew threatened EAA to pony up $450,000 for Controllers at Oshkosh...

EAA bent over.

It won't be the 1st time, they will continue to pay the vig, like the Resturant Owner in Goodfella's IMHO.

Dangerous president set here IMHO...

13 posted on 06/14/2013 12:54:08 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: PhiloBedo
The FAA the can search an aircraft. Everyone else needs a warrant.

By what authority? If the FAA is a federal government agency, and the 4th Amendment specifically forbids the federal government from performing searches without a warrant, how is it that the FAA does not need a warrant? Even if there is a federal law stating that the FAA can do warrantless searches, federal laws do not trump the Constitution.
14 posted on 06/14/2013 1:02:01 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: taildragger
Dangerous president set here IMHO...

Heh, I know you meant "precedent" here, but it works better the way you wrote it!
15 posted on 06/14/2013 1:04:16 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: PhiloBedo

“The FAA the can search an aircraft. “

But only in relation to air worthiness, not for criminal investigation for violations of laws outside the FAR.


16 posted on 06/14/2013 1:04:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: fr_freak

LOL ! this is Hugh and Serious too ! LOL !!!


17 posted on 06/14/2013 1:05:30 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Jack Black

This would be like saying your house is connected to a street that is connected eventually to a federal highway so they can search your house.


18 posted on 06/14/2013 1:05:53 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

ping


19 posted on 06/14/2013 1:07:01 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are direcFisher House' insttly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: CodeToad

Works for ditch>stream>creek>river>ocean. EPA has (was Army Corp of Engineers)jurisdiction over your yard.


20 posted on 06/14/2013 1:09:51 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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