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So Why Didn't NSA Catch The Tsarnaev Brothers?
IBD EDITORIALS ^ | June 13, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 06/13/2013 4:43:22 PM PDT by raptor22

Security: With the director of national intelligence defending a program he told Congress didn't exist, the Patriot Act's author says this isn't the targeted surveillance intended and warns of losing needles in a too-big haystack.

Edward Snowden is quite possibly a traitor, but we have been caught in a Prism of our own making, outsourcing our national security to 29-year-old unstable contractors, one of nearly 500,000 employees of private firms with access to the government's most sensitive secrets.

Perhaps if we were doing the targeted surveillance envisioned by Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., when he wrote the Patriot Act, we wouldn't need so many potential security risks.

It boggles the mind that we didn't listen to the Russians when they warned about the Tsarnaev brothers in part because, well, they're the Russians. But we want to preserve the records of every housewife in Des Moines because data mining that arguably invades the privacy rights of innocent Americans might reveal something.

One person whose privacy was not invaded by U.S. intelligence was Tamerlan Tsarnaev, as he repeatedly visited the al-Qaida online magazine Inspire for its recipe "Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom."

The NSA's blanket surveillance did not detect Tsarnaev's interest in building the pressure cooker bombs he would use to devastating effect at the Boston Marathon. The massive databases that we are building a massive facility in Utah to store also failed to uncover the online communications that Tsarnaev had with a known Muslim extremist in Dagestan.

Sensenbrenner, who wrote and introduced the Patriot Act to Congress in 2001, says the National Security Agency overstepped its bounds by issuing the order to collect phone log records from millions of Americans.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; clapper; edwardsnowden; ibd; jamesclapper; nsa; patriotact; prism; surveillance; tsarnaev; verizon
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To: dfwgator

Agreed. The government things conservatives are a greater threat than Muslims, who routinely kill others and even each other all around the world.


41 posted on 06/13/2013 7:32:09 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: raptor22

Why?

-Because they were too busy collecting info on AMERICAN citizens; you know, REAL terrorists...


42 posted on 06/13/2013 7:42:05 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: dragnet2
"Why you playing stupid? ..."

.... Well,, to be honest, I was attempting, apparently rather poorly, to show the absurdity of spending a gagillion dollars on spying on our own citizens while redirecting the focus of our fight against terrorists AWAY from foreign threats and refocusing the efforts on .... Conservative groups within our own borders.

...As you may recall, only a few months ago the Prez with a fez and his administration named Christian extremists along with Conservative groups as the biggest threat to the nation .... even above Muslim extremist groups such as ..... Al-Qaeda! Where the heck did they come up with that WHOPPER!!!

In the mean time the Boston Bombers went practically undetected. Heck .... even though we received multiple leads from foreign intelligence entities they were practically ignored ... go figure! It has become quite clear that the Tsarnaev Brother incident could have been easily prevented ....That is, if this administration would have spent more time focusing on ACTUAL foreign OPFOR entities rather than on the likes of friendly patriotic Christians and Conservatives .... mining for intel to be strategically used for muck raking and asset destruction of those patriots and patriotic groups.

.... In short ... the intelligence assets, as well as all of our alphabet Departments, being used to stir up trouble for Christians and Conservatives would have been much better used and money incredibly better spent if they were actually focused on GENUINE enemies of America ..... instead of mere political enemies of this Administration which they have no business doing in the first place.

43 posted on 06/13/2013 10:39:16 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

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44 posted on 06/14/2013 4:12:18 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: 21twelve

I would add this comment....which people ought to ponder over. Yes, they missed the brothers....but presently, they have their telephone numbers, and are connecting the dots to approximately a hundred or two-hundred calls they made over the past year. Every single one of those folks are being checked out completely. I’ll bet that a dozen are under constant surveillance right now, and being targeted for a future arrest.


45 posted on 06/14/2013 4:26:32 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: raptor22

They don’t like to stop CIA double agents.


46 posted on 06/14/2013 4:29:10 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: raptor22
So Why Didn't NSA Catch The Tsarnaev Brothers?

So why can't those idiots catch just one illegal telemarketer?

47 posted on 06/14/2013 5:17:27 AM PDT by Zakeet (If idiots could fly, Washington would be an airport)
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To: raptor22

The fallacy in this argument is that what was known about the bomber is unknown........ secret.

I can believe that the man was well known to those following him but the DOJ was loath to go get him because they did not have adequate evidence for an airtight conviction. They are lawyers and see all through lawer prosecutor’s eyes.

I’ll not risk my ass to prosecute unless the outcome is beyond doubt, absolutely certain. The bomb was too bad but my prosacutorial ass is safe


48 posted on 06/14/2013 5:27:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: Grampa Dave; granite; GreenFreeper; grjr21; I got the rope; IchBinEinBerliner; jaredt112; JayB; ...

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49 posted on 06/14/2013 5:44:54 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: dragnet2
These junior Muslim terrorist which the government welcomed into the U.S. in the first place, just set off the bombs then simply walked down the street back to their apartment.

Just doing the jobs Americans wouldn't do...don'tcha know.

50 posted on 06/14/2013 6:42:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: raptor22
The NSA spends time checking out American citizens who are ‘extreme’. And what does ‘extreme’ mean? It means people who disagree with liberal democrats.

Think an ‘on-going and permanent’ type of Watergate. ‘Watergate’ without the hassle of having to hire operatives to break into political opponents offices.

The NSA also collects dirt on powerful people the world over so they can control them... for the benefit of liberal democrats.

As far as protecting American citizens? Yeah, that's a joke.

For our billions spent in "security" investment - the shredding of the Constitution and our total loss of privacy here's what they give us on radical Muslims: emotionally unstable young Muslims who can be tempted by undercover cops to SAY they might blow us up - get caught. Real terrorists - like the boys in Boston - are ignored. That's my take... it looks like we get almost nothing for our money.

51 posted on 06/14/2013 8:39:24 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: Still Thinking; StopGlobalWhining; Straight Vermonter; Tampa Caver; TChris; ...

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52 posted on 06/14/2013 8:55:40 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: raptor22
So Why Didn't NSA Catch The Tsarnaev Brothers?

Too busy chasing the real terrorists, you know, white Christians and Tea Partiers.

53 posted on 06/14/2013 8:58:44 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: isom35
Mosques are exempt from NSA surveillance?

Mosques are exempt - Christian Churches are NOT exempt...

Do you think the American people would have given one thin dime to these liberal blowhard 'security people' if they had told THAT TRUTH?

The legislation would NOT have passed after 9/11 if we had been told the main targets of investigation would be Christan American citizens and people who don't support gay marriage and abortion.

54 posted on 06/14/2013 9:05:35 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: raptor22

Because, the amount of information coming at them each day is overwhelming and they can only do so much with it.


55 posted on 06/14/2013 9:05:42 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: raptor22
So Why Didn't NSA Catch The Tsarnaev Brothers?


56 posted on 06/15/2013 7:15:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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