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Rand Paul: We Fought a Revolution Over Behavior Like the NSA's
Town Hall ^ | June 11, 2013 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 06/11/2013 10:11:18 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

In an op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal yesterday evening, Senator Rand Paul outlined how vast NSA surveillance of hundreds of millions of Americans is a violation of the Fourth Amendment. He also reminded readers that the Founding Fathers fought a revolution over this type of behavior....cue John McCain calling him a whacko bird again in 3...2...1...

These activities violate the Fourth Amendment, which says warrants must be specific—"particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." And what is the government doing with these records? The president assures us that the government is simply monitoring the origin and length of phone calls, not eavesdropping on their contents. Is this administration seriously asking us to trust the same government that admittedly targets political dissidents through the Internal Revenue Service and journalists through the Justice Department?

No one objects to balancing security against liberty. No one objects to seeking warrants for targeted monitoring based on probable cause. We've always done this.

What is objectionable is a system in which government has unlimited and privileged access to the details of our private affairs, and citizens are simply supposed to trust that there won't be any abuse of power. This is an absurd expectation. Americans should trust the National Security Agency as much as they do the IRS and Justice Department.

Monitoring the records of as many as a billion phone calls, as some news reports have suggested, is no modest invasion of privacy. It is an extraordinary invasion of privacy. We fought a revolution over issues like generalized warrants, where soldiers would go from house to house, searching anything they liked. Our lives are now so digitized that the government going from computer to computer or phone to phone is the modern equivalent of the same type of tyranny that our Founders rebelled against.

In addition to pointing out why secret monitoring is a violation of American rights, Paul makes one very important and crucial point.

I also believe that trolling through millions of phone records hampers the legitimate protection of our security. The government sifts through mountains of data yet still didn't notice, or did not notice enough, that one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects was traveling to Chechnya. Perhaps instead of treating every American as a potential terror suspect the government should concentrate on more targeted analysis.

What an idea! We've heard everyone from John McCain to President Obama defend vast NSA monitoring, but the fact is, that same monitoring didn't prevent Boston. Not to mention, while the Obama administration defends the program, it is also saying large scale attacks are no longer a threat and that al Qaeda is "on the run."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhonsa; nsa
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1 posted on 06/11/2013 10:11:18 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

This is Rand covering for his immigration comments.


2 posted on 06/11/2013 10:12:39 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Rennes Templar

What say you?


3 posted on 06/11/2013 10:14:43 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: EXCH54FE

Oh well guess we will have another Congressional committee, complete with crying congressits and obama will go on his merry way destroying the Republic.


4 posted on 06/11/2013 10:15:13 AM PDT by SilverMine (IF the US gøvt says it is a lie.)
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To: EXCH54FE
"...The president assures us that the government is simply monitoring the origin and length of phone calls, not eavesdropping on their contents"

Oh.... like that's ok then?

They forgot to add "-yet"

5 posted on 06/11/2013 10:16:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

This same Rand Paul has yet to suggest the gub’mnt’s 4th amendment violating dossiers kept on each of its employees FOREVER be destroyed.


6 posted on 06/11/2013 10:18:26 AM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red STATE Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: Norm Lenhart

How did Rand vote on the Immigration Bill?

Might wanna hold off on lynching him until he proves himself one way or the other.


7 posted on 06/11/2013 10:19:12 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You are a jerk, you have repeatedly been told, given links, and quotes on Paul immigration stand, yet you just continue to lie and lie and lie. FUNL


8 posted on 06/11/2013 10:21:17 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: Norm Lenhart
This is Rand covering for his immigration comments.

Yes, he whispers sweet nothings to the 4th Amendment but gives the cold shoulder to Art.4,S.4 - "Invasion? What invasion? We'll just make 'em legal." I seem to recall Rome tried that toward the end.

9 posted on 06/11/2013 10:21:56 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything. Bolshies' gonna bolsh.)
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To: Paine in the Neck
"Paul said he dislikes the plan’s cap on agricultural workers. He also wants people who are in the U.S. on work visas to stand in line for U.S. citizenship in their country of origin, and he would not create a new path to citizenship.
10 posted on 06/11/2013 10:23:48 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: EXCH54FE

Over far, far less, in fact.


11 posted on 06/11/2013 10:24:35 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: jpsb

Libertarian to the core. Stand for nothing.


12 posted on 06/11/2013 10:25:05 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: jpsb
I know he's said that. I think he's naive, at best, in thinking any such arrangement won't be changed down the road. It also incentivizes yet more millions to try to get here to cash in on the next inevitable round of amnesty. In fact, anyone who thinks that a thousand page bill that, again, these feckless b@$tards haven't even read, isn't loaded with 999 pages of bad consequences, unintended and intended wasn't paying attention when the 'stimulus' bill and ObamaCare were passed. I want Paul to come out and says "Rubio's wrong. This bill is unworkable and should be stopped. Period. No qualifiers." Then, maybe, I can support him.
13 posted on 06/11/2013 10:36:06 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything. Bolshies' gonna bolsh.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Like father, like son...


14 posted on 06/11/2013 10:41:10 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: EXCH54FE

Hand me a quill...


15 posted on 06/11/2013 10:55:50 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: EXCH54FE

Can Paul name anybody whose phone calls or e-mail messages have been recorded without a warrant? If so, let him come forward with the persons and what was recorded.


16 posted on 06/11/2013 11:36:28 AM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: EXCH54FE

We kicked the Brits out that time. Now how do we go about kicking out the libs?


17 posted on 06/11/2013 12:22:54 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Paine in the Neck
Rush stated today that the bill as it exists right now has an intended/unintended consequence of making any probational alien exempt from obamacare and therefore the businesses that hire these alien invaders will not have to provide obamacare and they also do not have to pay any fines. Who do you think will get the job... a citizen or a welfare invader?

LLS

18 posted on 06/11/2013 1:19:46 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: JimRed

They will all flee to Canada just like last time. :-)


19 posted on 06/11/2013 1:38:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: JimRed

State level -

Free states should go about reducing/eliminating any and all government handouts except for moving expenses for those that want to move to states with generous gov’t programs.


20 posted on 06/11/2013 1:41:46 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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