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1 posted on 06/09/2013 8:20:56 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Want to make a liberal’s brain explode. . .especially a homosexual liberal?

Just say that IF a gay gene is discovered, would they support unrestricted abortion of homosexual babies?

After all, they support unrestricted babies for any other reason, why not sexuality.


2 posted on 06/09/2013 8:27:05 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: neverdem

The idea that homosex is natural is beyond ridiculous. If it was the natural way we would not exit. If we did not procreate we would be extinct. If it was natural then it would exist through out nature in all creatures, it does not.If it was natural more then 1% of human population would be homosexual. If it was natural, then there would not be entire populations and cultures where it does not exist


3 posted on 06/09/2013 8:28:45 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: neverdem
"Why would anyone choose to be gay?"

At the risk of sounding Clintonesque, that depends on the meaning of "be." You can "be" an alcoholic but never take a drink. You can "be" a philanderer and never touch another woman but your wife (unless you're Ted Kennedy). You can "be" a serial murderer but never lay a finger on another human being.

What you "are" and what you DO are two separate things. God has given us free will, the ability to choose those acts in which we engage, however tempting it is to engage in the WRONG ones. All the homo movement has done is make it easier to engage in acts that will damn your soul to hell, and make your time on earth a tawdry chain of obscene episodes, shorten your life, and propagate the myth of homosexual "normalcy."

Instead of giving in to abominable lusts, why not try to turn your life toward something positive, something that denies the sordid temptations of carnality and elevates you beyond the rut?

4 posted on 06/09/2013 8:28:54 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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I have a relative who works with foster and troubled children. I hear a lot of stories of anonymous children passing through “the system” and the absolute common denominator among all is sexual abuse and broken families. The two go hand-in-hand.

If you want to statistically guarantee that a child will grow up to be a broken and troubled adult, then give them one (or no) parent, and have an adult sexually abuse them.


5 posted on 06/09/2013 8:34:22 AM PDT by PGR88
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The cruelest irony is that the Democrats could care less about homosexuals. They support homosexuality because it is a means of population control.

Dear homosexuals: we conservatives want you to enjoy the fullness and richness of life that marriage to someone of the opposite sex brings. The Democrats don’t want you to reproduce. Which side cares more about you?


6 posted on 06/09/2013 8:36:12 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: neverdem
So, they were born with the gene to lisp, get in your face, over exaggerate gestures, be over the top flamboyant, wear bling and demand everyone's full attention?
8 posted on 06/09/2013 8:39:05 AM PDT by bgill (This post was mined before it was posted.)
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In societies where the population is mostly naked, there is little sexual reaction to nudity.

But in a society where women’s faces are covered, there is a known sexual arousal when men see a woman’s face.

What arouses sexually is truly a learned thing, and can be modified. This is well-known, but ignored because it does not fit the “victimhood” argument.


11 posted on 06/09/2013 8:40:35 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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I worked with a kid once long ago (he was a young adult, but a "kid" to me) who thought he was homo. I knew he was just terrified of women.

I only worked with him a few years and then moved, I don't know whatever became of him as it was the early 80's and the whole homo thing was just getting into full swing. He probably got sucked into it. Poor kid.

12 posted on 06/09/2013 8:41:37 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: neverdem
"Why would anyone choose to be gay?" mental illness and or perversion...
15 posted on 06/09/2013 8:55:20 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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I knew identical twins in college. 1 is gay and the other isn’t.


16 posted on 06/09/2013 8:57:19 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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"'I Was Born This Way'..."

... To say that "ALL" are would be about as ridiculous as saying that all blind people are "Born that way." Some are.... some aren't. Not all variants can be contained within a single diagnosis.

19 posted on 06/09/2013 9:06:14 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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a new model for homosexuality.
20 posted on 06/09/2013 9:06:43 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: neverdem
"Why would anyone choose to be gay?"

Why would anyone choose to rob banks? It's dangerous, you could get killed, you could spend 20 years in prison. But people choose to rob banks all the time. Why would anyone choose to have extra-marital sex (with the opposite sex)? You could get diseases, you could get caught and go through an expensive divorce, or maybe sued by your lover's spouse for alienation of affection and lose all your possessions. But people choose to do this all the time.

I think the only thing homos are in "love" with is their own erection. They are spoiled, weak-willed, undisciplined people who easily succumb to what feels good. No gene causes that.

21 posted on 06/09/2013 9:07:06 AM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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I was on the fence about whether it was a choice or genetic.

Then one day I accidentally ran across a lesbian gathering at a local park.

They had this idiot techno music blaring with a male voice booming nonsense like “a typical male rapes an average of 4 women in his lifetime” and “a typical male does [blah] [blah] [blah]”

This went on for like 20 minutes at full volume over a speaker system. I gathered up my stuff to leave and as I walked past I was going to ask the ‘girls’ “Do you really believe this stuff?”

But the vibe I got was incredible- You could tell they were women (sort of) but they looked, sounded, and acted so male it was shocking. They had cut off t-shirts and jeans and work boots and short hair cuts you would SWEAR they were men (some of them) and they looked at me like they wanted to kill me so I just smiled and walked past and said “Hi Ladies” (it pays to be 6’5” sometimes)

I couldn’t quite hear what one of them said but it didn’t sound nice.

After that day I KNEW it was genetic. I am sure there are some who choose it, but man-o-man those girls definitely had way, way, way too many male hormones.


22 posted on 06/09/2013 9:07:40 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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Born or recruited, makes no difference to me as long as you KEEP IT OUT OF MY FACE.

HOMOSEXUAL, because there’s nothing GAY about it.


30 posted on 06/09/2013 9:48:09 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: neverdem

This doesn’t jibe with the sex positive agenda’s inroads into schools where they demand that children be allowed to express their FLUID sexual identity by referring to themselves as male somedays and female on other days.

The sex positive philosophers do not CARE why someone has such desires to engage in same sex relations, they seek to end ALL moral judgments over ALL sexual pairings, regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s).

They believe that orgasms are birthright to be enjoyed at every age. It is an uber hedonistic worldview. They despise the very concept of abstinence because it flies the face of their lifegoals.


32 posted on 06/09/2013 9:52:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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I’ve said it before: the “born-that-way” vs “environmental” argument about homosexuality is IRRELEVANT when it comes to things like “gay marriage”. For purposes of public policy, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHETHER THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY OR BECAME THAT WAY LATER. What matters is that it is a sexual disorder, and no sane society reorders its fundamental institutions to accommodate DISORDERED BEHAVIOR. Let the medical professionals and the academics debate whether its genetic or not. When it comes to public policy, NO ONE SHOULD CARE.


37 posted on 06/09/2013 10:34:28 AM PDT by fr_freak
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I always like to mention the text book I read on sexual perversions several years ago. Wish I could remember the name of it.

There was an article in it on a young man drafted in WWII. His mother died when he was born, he was raised by all men way back in the Ozark hills and had never seen a woman.

When drafted the army knew something was strange about him so they gave him the standard homo tests.

They showed him a photo of naked women. No reaction.

They showed him photos of naked men. No reaction.

They didn’t know what to do with him till one Dr. showed the young man a photo of a cow. Instant reaction!

Now tell me he was “born that way”.


40 posted on 06/09/2013 11:01:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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48 posted on 06/09/2013 12:15:07 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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IMO, homosexuality in men and women is very different. FWIW.


55 posted on 06/09/2013 12:51:20 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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