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'I Was Born This Way'
American Thinker ^ | June 9, 2013 | Clayton E. Cramer

Posted on 06/09/2013 8:20:56 AM PDT by neverdem

One of the more effective arguments used by those arguing for same-sex marriage and sexual orientation anti-discrimination laws is that homosexuals have no choice in the matter -- that sexual orientation is something that you are born with, and you can't change it. The claim is that this is a natural part of human variability, no different from skin color or hair color or how tall you are. As an acquaintance -- a generally conservative, gay high power rifle shooter (talk about being a member of the world's smallest cross-section of identity groups) told me once, "Why would anyone choose to be gay?"

There is pretty persuasive evidence that what determines sexual orientation, at least for some homosexuals, is environmental. At a minimum, the evidence of a connection between being sexually abused as a child and homosexual or bisexual orientation as an adult is so widespread that the refusal of the scientific community to seriously consider a causal connection suggests a willful blindness.

The paper "Sexual Abuse, Sexual Orientation, and Obesity in Women," published in the Journal of Women's Health, examined the relationship between obesity and lesbianism -- a relationship that has long been recognized but never systematically explored. What the researchers found was that lesbians in their sample of women over 35 were more likely than the heterosexual women to have a "previous mental health diagnosis" and to be well-educated, and significantly more likely to be obese (40.2% compared to 30.4%). Most importantly, lesbians were almost twice as likely as matched heterosexual women to be have been victims of "intrafamilial" child sexual abuse (CSA), and more than twice as likely to be victims of extrafamilial CSA. Suddenly, the wall of fat that is one stereotype of lesbianism makes a lot of sense -- something to drive away men, and...

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I always like to mention the text book I read on sexual perversions several years ago. Wish I could remember the name of it...Dreams of My Father?


41 posted on 06/09/2013 11:15:09 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: a fool in paradise

So what they say carries weight? Where did they get that ‘thought’ from?


42 posted on 06/09/2013 11:28:50 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

They have the positions of authority within academia and hospitals. Same as how “they” removed homosexual desires from the list of mental disorders.

Reich, Kinsey, and others pushed this mindset since the post-war years.


43 posted on 06/09/2013 11:33:57 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
Reich, Kinsey, and others pushed this mindset since the post-war years.

Right, evil had it's pawns in every generation since the beginning of time. All evil has it deception and intimidation. So the deception will come from the 'intellectuals' and their studies. And intimidation will come from the gov't to enforce it with you must obey or there are consequences.

44 posted on 06/09/2013 11:53:26 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SECURE AMERICA

We are happy to use child sexual abuse as an excuse for the crimes of all our prison inmates, for bulimia, for alcoholism and drug addiction, hyper(hetero)sexuality, suicide, continuing the cycle of child sexual and physical abuse, domestic violence, and other disorders, but are legally forbidden to link it to homosexuality.

Power corrupts.


45 posted on 06/09/2013 12:09:42 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: Dutch Boy
If the evolutionary process is true, the only way homosexuals are part of a natural process is for the purpose of ending a genetic line. It must be some sort of evolutionary mechanism to rid future generations of certain characteristics or traits. Baring the evolutionary explanation, the only remaining options are nurture and choice.

The most common theory i've heard regarding this line of thought is that homosexuality genes produces a dead line for males, but it produces extraordinary fertility in females, and because of this, the genes more than make up for the deficit they cause when inherited by males.

I'm thinking there might be a genetic component in some cases, (effeminate males with effeminate personalities) but I think in many if not most cases, homosexuality is often the result of child abuse. One study i've seen asserted that 40% of homosexuals admit to being molested as children.

46 posted on 06/09/2013 12:13:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
What arouses sexually is truly a learned thing, and can be modified. This is well-known, but ignored because it does not fit the “victimhood” argument.

Oxytocin is a neuromodulator hormone that promotes bonding. Among other things, it is released during orgasm.

I think that a young person's first sexual experiences have a lot to do with their future orientation, and that same-sex molestation at an early age is a major factor in whether homosexual attraction is formed.

47 posted on 06/09/2013 12:13:59 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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48 posted on 06/09/2013 12:15:07 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Gadsden1st
Open to an educated reply as why a woman would be attracted to a bull dyke wearing an “appliance” instead of a real biker dude?

I think it might be the "wrongness" which makes it attractive to them. I think it is a sort of fetish to feel "wrongness" in their sexual activity. In many cases, a woman who thinks she likes women, often end up with men. Anne Heche is an example of this.

49 posted on 06/09/2013 12:17:47 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: lepton
“At a minimum, the evidence of a connection between being sexually abused as a child and homosexual or bisexual orientation as an adult is so widespread that the refusal of the scientific community to seriously consider a causal connection suggests a willful blindness.”

It suggests the recognition that openly talking about homosexual abuse of children as a factor, will end a researcher's career, and cause him to be hounded out of the profession by the Gay Mafia.

A similar fate awaits any researcher who dares to openly look at any correlation between race and IQ.

50 posted on 06/09/2013 12:21:19 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: TADSLOS
Homos are attracted to the perversion more than the natural procreative tools God provides. The more perverted, the better, in their sick minds. This is why homosexuality and pedophelia often mix and why homosexuals adopting children is putting those children at a heightened risk of sexual abuse.

Pretty much what I said as well. There is some sort of odd linkage in many human brains between sexual activity and the feeling of "wrongness". Some people enjoy the feeling of "wrongness" so much that they seek to heighten the sense of wrongness in all sorts of ways, homosexuality being just a manifestation of the fetish.

Homosexuality is not even a single fetish. It splits into many different subcategories. There are "Butch", "Fem", Transgender, crossdressing, and paedophilia, just for starters, and many variations and/or combinations beyond that.

But pretty much yeah, they seek out perversion BECAUSE it's perversion. If they thought washing windows was perverted, they would be doing that, because it is the rejection of "normal" which is what they are after.

51 posted on 06/09/2013 12:24:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Mr. K
After that day I KNEW it was genetic. I am sure there are some who choose it, but man-o-man those girls definitely had way, way, way too many male hormones.

Some take hormones and do weight training to create that effect.

52 posted on 06/09/2013 12:29:15 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: mjp

Interesting theory. Will keep it in mind.


53 posted on 06/09/2013 12:29:51 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Mr. K
And they promote each other from within, expect the military command to be homo soon (at least a small faction of it- like a Nazi SS squad, who have been rumored to be very homo)

There is supporting evidence for this theory. Homosexuality appears to have more than it's fair share of a sadistic streak.

If you follow some of the links it takes you to websites which go into more detail regarding the Usage of Homosexuals by the SS.

54 posted on 06/09/2013 12:33:55 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: neverdem

IMO, homosexuality in men and women is very different. FWIW.


55 posted on 06/09/2013 12:51:20 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: neverdem
One of the more effective arguments used by those arguing for same-sex marriage and sexual orientation anti-discrimination laws is that homosexuals have no choice in the matter -- that sexual orientation is something that you are born with, and you can't change it

And if someone was born with an urge to sleep around, would it be okay for him to cheat on his wife (both inborn sexual urges, with the main difference being that homosexuality is only 2% of the population)? How many men would like to try that excuse? I imagine that would not fly with any woman worth marrying.

56 posted on 06/09/2013 2:01:28 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Gadsden1st
This is what I don’t understand. I am a male, I am attracted to women. The more curves, beauty, the better. I am not attracted to women that look like men. Yet male and female homosexuals have men that act like women and women that act like men. What is the point? If I am a male homosexual, shouldn’t I be attracted to a studly male instead of a flamming, limp wristed, Obama?

I'm with you on that one. I don't get it either.

If gays hate women, why act like one and/or why be attracted to a man who acts like a woman?

If lesbians hate men, why act like one and/or why would a lesbian be attracted to a woman who acts like a man.

57 posted on 06/09/2013 2:30:46 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Dutch Boy
If the evolutionary process is true, the only way homosexuals are part of a natural process is for the purpose of ending a genetic line. It must be some sort of evolutionary mechanism to rid future generations of certain characteristics or traits. Baring the evolutionary explanation, the only remaining options are nurture and choice.

My personal thought is that some, just a small fraction of the declared homosexuals, do have a flaw in their genes which makes them that way. I believe that this may be mother nature's way of limiting population growth somewhat. We keep coming up with solutions to her other methods of limiting the population... medical cures, and so on... so this becomes another way of dealing with the over-population problem.

58 posted on 06/09/2013 2:35:53 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: neverdem

Liberal thinking is even more contrived than this. For the Transexuals, it’s what they feel like at this point in time. It’s a choice and therefore correct. They’re covering all the bases.

It’s nuts, literally.


59 posted on 06/09/2013 3:16:15 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: bgill

Exactly. Homosexual behavior is a learned behavior. Besides, multiple reports have shown that identical twins where one is a homo the other often isn’t.


60 posted on 06/09/2013 3:24:13 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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