Posted on 06/09/2013 8:20:56 AM PDT by neverdem
One of the more effective arguments used by those arguing for same-sex marriage and sexual orientation anti-discrimination laws is that homosexuals have no choice in the matter -- that sexual orientation is something that you are born with, and you can't change it. The claim is that this is a natural part of human variability, no different from skin color or hair color or how tall you are. As an acquaintance -- a generally conservative, gay high power rifle shooter (talk about being a member of the world's smallest cross-section of identity groups) told me once, "Why would anyone choose to be gay?"
There is pretty persuasive evidence that what determines sexual orientation, at least for some homosexuals, is environmental. At a minimum, the evidence of a connection between being sexually abused as a child and homosexual or bisexual orientation as an adult is so widespread that the refusal of the scientific community to seriously consider a causal connection suggests a willful blindness.
The paper "Sexual Abuse, Sexual Orientation, and Obesity in Women," published in the Journal of Women's Health, examined the relationship between obesity and lesbianism -- a relationship that has long been recognized but never systematically explored. What the researchers found was that lesbians in their sample of women over 35 were more likely than the heterosexual women to have a "previous mental health diagnosis" and to be well-educated, and significantly more likely to be obese (40.2% compared to 30.4%). Most importantly, lesbians were almost twice as likely as matched heterosexual women to be have been victims of "intrafamilial" child sexual abuse (CSA), and more than twice as likely to be victims of extrafamilial CSA. Suddenly, the wall of fat that is one stereotype of lesbianism makes a lot of sense -- something to drive away men, and...
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Why would anyone choose to rob banks? It's dangerous, you could get killed, you could spend 20 years in prison. But people choose to rob banks all the time. Why would anyone choose to have extra-marital sex (with the opposite sex)? You could get diseases, you could get caught and go through an expensive divorce, or maybe sued by your lover's spouse for alienation of affection and lose all your possessions. But people choose to do this all the time.
I think the only thing homos are in "love" with is their own erection. They are spoiled, weak-willed, undisciplined people who easily succumb to what feels good. No gene causes that.
I was on the fence about whether it was a choice or genetic.
Then one day I accidentally ran across a lesbian gathering at a local park.
They had this idiot techno music blaring with a male voice booming nonsense like “a typical male rapes an average of 4 women in his lifetime” and “a typical male does [blah] [blah] [blah]”
This went on for like 20 minutes at full volume over a speaker system. I gathered up my stuff to leave and as I walked past I was going to ask the ‘girls’ “Do you really believe this stuff?”
But the vibe I got was incredible- You could tell they were women (sort of) but they looked, sounded, and acted so male it was shocking. They had cut off t-shirts and jeans and work boots and short hair cuts you would SWEAR they were men (some of them) and they looked at me like they wanted to kill me so I just smiled and walked past and said “Hi Ladies” (it pays to be 6’5” sometimes)
I couldn’t quite hear what one of them said but it didn’t sound nice.
After that day I KNEW it was genetic. I am sure there are some who choose it, but man-o-man those girls definitely had way, way, way too many male hormones.
That implies the preference is for studly males, but if that is the case, why would they develope lisps and skip down airplane stairs and have limp wrist? Since we can agree the behavior traits just mentioned are aquired and not genetic, why not develope or just allow male traits. It must take a lot of work to aquire hip swishes and head tosses, etc.
Logic says just act like the male they are and they would attract more action from gays. If a male wants a male why would he be attracted to a very poor copy of a female?
I am convinced the libtards want to promote gays in the military because they want people with no moral character in charge with guns, that they control.
And some of these freaks, who hate normal people anyway, would gladly round up ‘straights’ at the point of a gun if ordered too.
And they promote each other from within, expect the military command to be homo soon (at least a small faction of it- like a Nazi SS squad, who have been rumored to be very homo)
I think that a lot of gays, especially the men, are extremely narcissistic. They are attracted to men who look like them. With the women, there are a lot who seem to be born with a genetically defective body shape and find it easier to hook up with another woman than try to attract a man. I.e., the biker guy probably is not so interested in the sort of sack-like shape that a lot of lesbians have.
Evil just wants to be included in with ‘what is good’ to be accepted - to the point that are desperate and they will do say or do anything. Evil travels under the guise of liberalism so it’s no wonder they push for it. And it travels with ‘demanding rights’ which brings abortion, etc, etc. etc.
Indeed.
And if a person believes in God, then they know God made man and woman to serve two separate sexual functions.
If a person believes in evolution, then that person must agree that nature (natural)evolved man and woman to perform two separate sexual functions.
While being born with a bi-cuspid aorta valve in your heart may occur “naturally,” it is NOT normal.
Same can be said about homosexuals: Born that way? If we take that at face value then we can say, based on the above, it occurs naturally but is not normal.
Or maybe for the votes, but I agree with your post otherwise.
I married a twin who had a gay brother.
Born or recruited, makes no difference to me as long as you KEEP IT OUT OF MY FACE.
HOMOSEXUAL, because there’s nothing GAY about it.
Exactly. A ‘bad’ thought may come but one either dismisses it or entertains it. Everyone is giving free will and it’s not in gene form - it’s a decision.
This doesn’t jibe with the sex positive agenda’s inroads into schools where they demand that children be allowed to express their FLUID sexual identity by referring to themselves as male somedays and female on other days.
The sex positive philosophers do not CARE why someone has such desires to engage in same sex relations, they seek to end ALL moral judgments over ALL sexual pairings, regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s).
They believe that orgasms are birthright to be enjoyed at every age. It is an uber hedonistic worldview. They despise the very concept of abstinence because it flies the face of their lifegoals.
According to feminists, sexologists, teachers, and doctors, there are no “bad thoughts”. Just religious dogma and social tradition that carries no weight.
Their agenda is funded by our tax dollars.
Whether you take a biblical or a Darwinian perspective, its very difficult to call homosexuality “normal”. Also the psychological imprinting that occurs when a child is sexually molested and cultural factors (such as positive portrayal of homosexuality in the media ) far outweighs any purported genetic factor. The next goal on the homosexual agenda will be to abolish age of consent laws.
My ex-BIL, divorced my SIL, after 6-8 years of marriage and a beautiful daughter, to go into the homosexual lifestyle.
This experience, of seeing him convert, and many unrelated experiences with many others convinced me that is truly a chosen lifestyle. Nothing more, nothing less, almost always traceable to their environment (which may have included sexual abuse or overly protective mothers).
Liberals support it because it is evil. Whatever is evil they support it, enforce it. Abortion is one as is same sex marriage. Nor your own money isn't your own - others need it.
What is good is capitalism and Our Constitution. And we know where they stand on that unless it's for 'their' benefit.
Like pleading the 5th while she deliberately denied citizen groups their rights. It stems from power to push evil.
I’ve said it before: the “born-that-way” vs “environmental” argument about homosexuality is IRRELEVANT when it comes to things like “gay marriage”. For purposes of public policy, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHETHER THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY OR BECAME THAT WAY LATER. What matters is that it is a sexual disorder, and no sane society reorders its fundamental institutions to accommodate DISORDERED BEHAVIOR. Let the medical professionals and the academics debate whether its genetic or not. When it comes to public policy, NO ONE SHOULD CARE.
Schizophrenia and cystic fibrosis are natural. A lot of conditions or diseases with a hereditary component are both fitness-reducing and natural.
Homosexuals used to reproduce just fine - marry a woman and have children, carry on with boys on the side. The Afghans still do it that way and they have a high birthrate.
How about mothers and sisters of male homosexuals have more children than women who are not related to a male homosexual? There are some studies suggesting this.
Sort of how the genes for cystic fibrosis or sickle cell anemia benefit the population but doom the double carrier.
I always like to mention the text book I read on sexual perversions several years ago. Wish I could remember the name of it.
There was an article in it on a young man drafted in WWII. His mother died when he was born, he was raised by all men way back in the Ozark hills and had never seen a woman.
When drafted the army knew something was strange about him so they gave him the standard homo tests.
They showed him a photo of naked women. No reaction.
They showed him photos of naked men. No reaction.
They didn’t know what to do with him till one Dr. showed the young man a photo of a cow. Instant reaction!
Now tell me he was “born that way”.
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