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Obama punts on signing UN arms trade pact opposed by NRA
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Posted on 06/03/2013 10:28:00 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
“Kerry, however, said the administration still has concerns that the U.N.’s various translations of the pact don’t include the same language.”
Only a government hack would sign an agreement that varies so much between the parties signing.
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:31:59 AM PDT
by
edcoil
(If you can't change the rules, then ignore them.)
To: Sub-Driver
He’ll wait until after 2014 mid-terms.
He’s stuck enough sticks into the hornet’s nest (NRA).
He needs to shut up for 1.5 years to keep the NRA from overwhelming the polls and his hopes for Her Lordship Nancy.
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:32:37 AM PDT
by
Uncle Miltie
(MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
To: Sub-Driver
President Obama will not immediately sign a United Nations arms trade treaty opposed by the National Rifle Association (NRA) but is committed to doing so shortly, He's got to stage another school shooting first...
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:32:40 AM PDT
by
apillar
To: Sub-Driver
Sadly, one of the smartest comments Hanoi John's ever made. Read it first.
In actuality, I expect Obama to wait until the press is done and then sign it quietly thinking he can avoid riling up gun owners.
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:34:28 AM PDT
by
Darren McCarty
(Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
To: Sub-Driver
I have a question for the UN arms control people. Are they claiming that as things are now, the US is arming "violent extremists and human rights abusers" around the world?
If not, then why all the pressure for the US to sign it? Just to pressure Russia and China to sign it (which they won't)? The devil is in the fine print I'm sure.
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:35:40 AM PDT
by
Sender
(It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
To: apillar
“Such a display of support (weakness) will put pressure on Russia and China to get on board (laugh).
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:38:40 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: Sender
Fast and Furious and arming of the Mexican cartels, the current smuggling to the Syrian rebels via Benghazi, the Moslem brotherhood in Egypt getting everything from rifles to F-16s, the Libyan al qeida rebels, the Afghan military, the Palestinian authority with tens of thousands of M-16s.
Who could -ever- accuse US of arming terrorists?
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:42:11 AM PDT
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
To: apillar
exactly,,, he’s got it ready, now he’s just waiting for another mass shooting. Obama is evil.
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:43:35 AM PDT
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
To: massgopguy
’ Obama punts on signing UN arms trade pact ..’
Mr. Obama has been, is, and will continue to be a punt on gun control.
TWB
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:46:05 AM PDT
by
TWhiteBear
(Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
To: Sender
Although, i will admit. The UN is an organization is almost entirely made up of human rights abusers, terrorists, and despots. So there is no way their goal is to stop the flow of arms to such types.
Their goal is to protect state sanctioned weapons trade businesses, and to find ways to declaw American gun owners.
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posted on
06/03/2013 10:46:54 AM PDT
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
To: Sub-Driver
Advocates for the pact had hoped the president would sign the treaty as soon as it became open for signatures on Monday, arguing that such a public display of support would create pressure on major arms dealers, such as Russia and China, to get on board. Yeah. Because the Chinese and Russian governments are well known for falling in line when the UN snaps its collective fingers. What planet are these people from?
To: Sub-Driver
"As a humanitarian organization, weve seen firsthand the impact of the global arms trade on innocent men, women and children in places like Syria and South Sudan. The time is now for the United States to lead by example and sign this treaty as swiftly as possible to stop dangerous weapons from reaching violent extremists and human rights abusers. There is no time left to wait. What dreck!
The violations are being perpetrated upon the unarmed.
Any student of history will recognize the pattern.
ONLY either providing the means for the defenseless to defend themselves or providing others to defend them will work, at least until the oppressors are removed.
There is no guarantee that the oppressed will not become oppressors, and they need not have firearms to do so. (Many slaughtered in Rwanda and Burundi were killed with machetes.)
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posted on
06/03/2013 11:05:00 AM PDT
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
To: Sender
I have a question for the UN arms control people. Are they claiming that as things are now, the US is arming "violent extremists and human rights abusers" around the world? . Does the ban include F-5s, F-15s and F-16s sold to peaceful governments like Egypt?
To: DesertRhino
Fast and Furious and arming of the Mexican cartels, the current smuggling to the Syrian rebels via Benghazi, the Moslem brotherhood in Egypt getting everything from rifles to F-16s, the Libyan al qeida rebels, the Afghan military, the Palestinian authority with tens of thousands of M-16s. Ahh, my FR Brother, These which you mention are not "illicit". They are sponsored by a sovereign government engaged in diplomacy, as will any and all trade deals between Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, Syria, etc. An illicit arms trade would be without the authorization of a government. It is my understanding this is to restrict "black market" and "smuggling" of weapons. It's the UN. The devil is in the details. Question we should ask is, why would we need a treaty to get nations to agree that something that is illegal is also illegal by a consistent standard (as written)?
The laws that are to be broken per this treaty have yet to be written.
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posted on
06/03/2013 11:17:09 AM PDT
by
Tenacious 1
("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
To: DesertRhino; immadashell
True, the US has armed some despicable people under the pretense of arming “the opposition” or “rebels”, and no way should we be sending planes to Egypt. As you say, the UN is largely composed of these same despicable people. I’m sure that part of this treaty involves a mandatory registry of guns, because how else can they keep us citizens from arming Sudan or Somalia?
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posted on
06/03/2013 11:19:52 AM PDT
by
Sender
(It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
To: Sub-Driver
Kerry pushed back against those concerns, saying the treaty would in no way infringe on Second Amendment rights. Well, there it is. I feel better already.
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posted on
06/03/2013 11:23:45 AM PDT
by
Bloody Sam Roberts
(For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
To: Uncle Miltie
What you say makes sense, but I don’t think he will wait.
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posted on
06/03/2013 11:48:03 AM PDT
by
Gator113
( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Well, well, well...
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posted on
06/03/2013 11:49:55 AM PDT
by
Joe Brower
(The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
To: Joe Brower
He’ll probably sign it late some Friday afternoon.
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posted on
06/03/2013 11:51:23 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
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