Posted on 05/31/2013 4:58:43 PM PDT by Sopater
The Vaccine Controversy has been going on for some time now, and Christian parents often wonder what is right. They hear debates and arguments for and against vaccines, but they don't know what is best for their children. However, few people are aware of one of the most important aspects: the use of aborted fetal tissue in many of the vaccines. Chickenpox, Hepatitis A, Rubella, Measles/Mumps/Rubella, Polio, Rabies, Shingles, Smallpox, Flu, Swine Flu, and HIV are just a few. This branch of ESCR (embryonic stem cell research) has long been kept from the public eye since as early as 1959. A coalition of Doctors from Karolinska Institute of Stockholm, Sweden; Wistar Institute, which performs research for the University of Pennsylvania; and Merck Research Institute which manufactures most of the immunizations for the US, conducted the first research using aborted fetal tissue. Their claim was that they were trying to find a safe culture for growing the needed viruses for vaccines that would possibly cause them to be more effective. The rubella outbreak in 1964 proved to be an open door of opportunity for testing the effectiveness of their immunizations. The hastily formulated rubella vaccine was first tested on Pennsylvanian orphans, and then sold to doctors' offices for the general public. It wasn't long before other unethical specimens entered the market without the public's knowledge. Some questions arise. First, was there a need for new vaccines? And are these vaccines safer, as was asserted? To answer this, let's examine the rubella vaccine; when the first one tainted with aborted fetal cells was introduced, there already were two preexisting rubella vaccines made from animal cells that worked just as well as the newer one. Also, if there were a reason for a new injection, adult stem cells could have been used. Also, the Japanese formulated their injection by swabbing the throat of an infected child and developing the culture in rabbit tissue. As far as safety goes, rubella itself is quite harmless. In fact, the New England Medical Journal states, "In children and adults, rubella is usually mild and may even go unnoticed. Children generally have few symptoms, but adults may experience fever, headache, malaise, and a runny nose before the rash appears…Lifelong immunity to the disease follows infection." The only danger involves a baby whose mother contracts the disease in her first trimester of pregnancy, and the baby could develop CRS, Congenital Rubella Syndrome, which may cause deafness, heart problems, mental retardation, and liver damage. Because of this, some say that the immunization is necessary for the protection of pregnant mothers and their unborn babies. However, cases of CRS are rare; in fact, in the year 2004, there were no recorded cases. Currently, doctors test a mother for rubella during her first office visit, and, if she tests positive, a series of antibodies are given to her, so the child is in no endangerment. The real hazard is the vaccine itself. Merck, the manufacturer, includes a product insert that warns of side effects which include: encephalitis, pneumonitis, pancreatitis, diarrhea, vomiting, diabetes mellitus, thrombocytopenia, purpura, leukocytosis, myalgia, chronic arthritis, febrile convulsions, seizures, aseptic meningitis, nerve deafness, and death among several others[i]. It seems as though this injection is unsafe and evidently unnecessary. The chickenpox vaccine is another good example. Those who have had chickenpox will most likely agree that it, too, is mild, and hardly needs to be vaccinated against. Unfortunately, it is often required for public school attendance. Natural immunity to the illness by the age of nine is quite common, even if it is never contracted. Mothers who have had the illness pass on a temporary immunity to their newborns, especially if the child is breast-fed. Those who were vaccinated are more likely to suffer from shingles later in life, and are not actually immune to the disease. A day care facility in New Hampshire experienced a chickenpox outbreak when a vaccinated child infected a vaccinated sibling who in turn infected all vaccinated children in the day care. Only those who had actually had the illness before remained healthy[ii]. Again, the peril is in the vaccine, not the disease. A JAMA report warns of seizures, paralysis, and inflammation of the brain and spinal cord due to the immunization[iii]. Perhaps the most frightening aspect is where this could lead in the future. At one time it was believed that the original embryonic cell lines were "immortal" and no new tissue would be needed, but nothing could be further from the truth. Research has found that the cells live only as long as the approximate lifespan of the donor, causing them to have to be replaced. This could lead to an increase in abortions. The Canadian Medical Association Journal, 1955, stated, "[O]f the 122 women who indicated that they would consider an abortion if they were pregnant, (17.2%) stated that they would be more likely to have an abortion if they could donate tissue for fetal tissue transplants…[iv]" Some manufacturers are looking for fetuses that are at a gestational age at which the baby could still survive outside of its mother. Another major concern is the making of money from selling dismembered babies. According to some "sales lists", abortionists may charge $150.00 - $999.00 for a fetal brain. Some offer 30% off damaged tissue. New Zealand reports label fetuses "a sought-after product". Abortion clinics also charge extra fees for removing organs and such on site. Their cold approach to innocent human life is appalling. Government legislation and liberal organizations worsen the problem. Arizona's 9th Circuit Court of Appeals' decided that ending this research interfered with Roe v. Wade. New Jersey also allows cloned embryos to be implanted in a mother, but the fetus must be terminated before birth, allowing the tissue to be used for "science". Pro-Choice Resources Center, ACLU, Planned Parenthood, and Catholics For a Free Choice came together in 2003 to discuss how to eradicate the laws on the right of conscience. One participant stated, "No one has the right to commit malpractice. If we can establish that a standard of care is being violated, the public interest in patient health will clearly outweigh the sectarian hospitals' or insurers' right to limit care. Finding a better name than 'conscience clauses' should be a key part of that strategy." They also proposed that they join liberal movements on separation of church and state, religious freedom issues, and gay rights to help break down conscience laws. Parents and Christians must respond to such a heinous and deadly practice. It is important to alert doctors to this issue. One doctor said, "Most physicians are not aware of the source of the vaccines. I had to investigate the issue when one of my patients expressed concern. Only then did I learn this." A nurse in Virginia wrote, "I am dismayed to find that the vaccines I have trusted, received, and administered over the years were made from cell lines derived from aborted human fetuses. The use of these vaccines for my family, and my administration of them as a nurse, violates my religious beliefs as well as my personal sensibilities." Knowledgeable doctors should also alert parents. One physician stated, "At least 50% of the patients are shocked to find out the source of these vaccines, and I have had patients opt not to vaccinate their children on that basis alone." Thankfully, for parents who do want their children vaccinated there are ethical options for any vaccine (except chickenpox and rubella), and they may speak with their pediatrician and have them special ordered. As Christians, it is against God's Word to endorse such behavior that equates to murder and to put our own children at risk by giving them something so potentially harmful. For additional information, please visit Children of God for Life, at www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccinetruth.htm Sophie Koeppel lives in Wilson, WI. notes: i Merck Product Insert (http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf) ii Dr. Jane Seward et al; Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; 12-16-01; Report: NH chickenpox outbreak iii JAMA REPORT 9-13-00, Vol. 384, No. 10, Pgs 1271-1279 iv Canadian Medical Association Journal 1995, 153: 545-552
You smell like a pro-death troll. First, you show your undying love & affection for the very evil Monsanto on an earlier thread & now you’re getting snotty with someone speaking the truth about aborted fetal tissue in vaccine. Is there any evil you aren’t ok with?
“Actually, most if not all of this research and vaccine production is done with embryos from fertility clinics. Several are created for most cases. After implant they are slated for destruction and we use them. They are donated per law passed quite some time ago when this issue first came up. As to what they do with stuff from abortions, I suspect various states probably deal with it differently as most hospitals are regulated closely by state laws first and then federal.”
Do I need to really explain to someone on a pro-life forum that embryos ARE human beings & their destruction for research or pharmaceutical manufacturing is indeed the equivalent of an early abortion? Are you seriously ok with that?
Nice reply. I’m pretty sure that’s “making it personal” but nonetheless, I’m not the pro-abort who’s openly advocating the destruction of embryos.
Ping
It’s not a reply, it’s a face slap.
Had you said those same words to me to my face, I would have slapped you.
Somehow some people think that internet anonymity allows them to say whatever without consequences. The fact is, you probably can and get away with it.
I try to leave a mark when it is tried with me.
Yeah well I’d say it to your face. I don’t need Internet anonymity to confront pro-aborts masquerading as alleged conservatives. Your casual attitude toward the willful destruction of human beings does not belong on a forum that is pro-life. So, yes, I’m calling you out on that. Deal with it.
BFL
You can save the cavalry call, I know them too, been here for a while...you three can have a nice conversation with each other...but that would be no fun for you.
I got better things to do then get into it with a bunch of hateful people who lean on God to justify their behavior.
I did not see this as a abortion thread, so now that it is, it’s poison. might as well be talking about Hitler.
Calvary call?
I assume you’re referring to my ping. Your level of narcissism & arrogance coordinates nicely with your belief that others should be sacrificed so that you may have access to vaccines & medical treatments. For you information, the FReepers I pinged have historically taken interest in threads related to vaccines & references to Children of God for life. Don’t be so arrogant to assume my post had any relation to you.
Since you refer to “abortion threads” as poison, I will assume you are pro-choice. If not, then I expect you to correct my incorrect assumption.
My eyes, my eyes! Pass the punctuation please!!!
You know exactly what I mean...
BTW, just in case we cross paths again in the future. I am not pro abortion. I detest women who kill their children for any reason, but I am a male. I am a alpha male and I have no control over what women do. Tried that some 45 years ago, failed and never tried again. I don’t like to fail.
The truth is that women have been killing their children for probably 6,000 years. I can’t stop them, I don’t even care to try. We can talk about it but it forces me to issue useless platitudes and white lies, designed to make it look like I care. I don’t because it is out of my control and thus not something I concern myself with.
Have a nice day...
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I've read this before, and I've also looked at the CDC website and read the ingredient lists for all vaccines. I can't remember exactly how the CDC labels it but it it's clear that human tissue is in some of them. If I find the link I'll post it. This is one reason why I think the vaccination method is - not a good one, to put it mildly. But apart from any other pros and cons, using the tissue of unborn human beings is nothing less than Evil, no matter how small the killed human beings are.
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Are you opposed to the killing of human beings after they’re born, too?
OOOPS!!
Meant to ask:
Do you support the killing of human beings for “medical uses” after they’re born, too?
You concern yourself enough with it to support it on this thread. If you truly didn’t concern yourself with it, you wouldn’t have supported it on this thread.
So not only are you a supporter of the killing of the unborn, you lie about such support.
He pinged me because I run the Moral Absolutes ping list. I’m glad he did.
If you are asking me if I oppose killing in general, that is a many faceted question. I am not in favor of the death penalty, for example, but not because of the killing, I oppose it because of the mistakes in the justice system. I am not opposed to killing in general when it is justified. And justified can mean a lot of things.
Weasel words that mean nothing.
You already made your position, such as it is, as clear as you’re willing to make it.
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