Posted on 05/28/2013 6:58:35 AM PDT by xzins
For centuries, Christians thought culture would change if we just had a majority of Christians in the culture. That has proven to be a false assumption. Culture is defined by a relatively small number of change agents who operate at the top of cultural spheres or societal mountains. It takes less than 3-5 percent of those operating at the top of a cultural mountain to actually shift the values represented on that mountain.
For example, this is exactly what advocates in the gay rights movement has done through the "mountains" of media and arts and entertainment. They have strategically used these avenues to promote their cause and reframe the argument. They are gradually legitimizing their cause through these two cultural mountains through a small percentage of people in society operating at the top of the media and arts and entertainment mountain.
Mountains are controlled by a small percentage of leaders and networks. James Hunter, in a book entitled How to Change the World, highlights what sociologist Randall Collins says about civilizations in his book The Sociology of Philosophies. According to Collins, civilizations have been defined by a very small percentage of cultural philosophers who influence seven gates and supporting networks since our birth as a civilization.
Hunter summarizes, “Even if we add the minor figures in all of the networks, in all of the civilizations, the total is only 2,700. In sum, between 150 and 3,000 people (a tiny fraction of the roughly 23 billion people living between 600 B.C. and A.D. 1900) framed the major contours of all world civilizations. Clearly, the transformations here were top-down.”
What an amazing piece of information. Imagine that. Culture has been defined since the beginning of time by no more than 3,000 change agents, a tiny fraction of the population.
That is why we must realize that making more converts will not necessarily change culture. It is important to have conversions, but it is more important to have those who are converted operate at the tops of the cultural mountains from a biblical worldview.
Those at the tops of these mountains are expressing their liberal worldview through these cultural spheres. The more godly the change agent at the top, the more righteous the culture will be. The more ungodly, the more liberal we will become. It doesn’t matter if the majority of the culture is made up of Christians. It only matters who has the greatest influence over that cultural mountain.
Our Current Status in Culture
“When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; but when a wicked man rules, the people groan” (Prov. 29:2).
For the last several decades, culture has become increasingly secular and liberal in the United States. But God has always raised up His change agents to represent His interests and agenda on Planet Earth. God is raising up His change agents for such a time as this.
We know that Jesus will return for a bride, that “He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish” (Eph. 5:27). So, despite the trends we may see, I believe we need to operate from a victorious eschatological viewpoint. God’s current activity in the marketplace is part of this.
He is calling us in His church to “love the Lord [our] God with all [our] heart, with all [our] soul, and with all [our] mind” (Matt. 22:37). This means applying God’s mind to the natural order expressed through the cultural mountains of society.
Changing culture rarely happens without the cooperation of other like-minded change agents pooling their resources and influence capital to make change.
William Wilberforce Solves the Slave-Trade Problem
William Wilberforce was a British politician and philanthropist who lived in the late 1700s and was a leader of the movement to abolish the slave trade. A native of Hull, Yorkshire, he began his political career in 1780 and became the independent member of Parliament for Yorkshire (1784-1812). He was a close friend of Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger.
In 1785, he underwent a conversion experience and became an evangelical Christian, resulting in changes to his lifestyle and his interest in reform. He was 28 years old at the time and wondered whether he could stay in politics and remain a follower of Jesus Christ. His good friend John Newton, who was a converted slave trader and author of the famous hymn "Amazing Grace," convinced him to stay in politics to model his faith in the public sector. His life was dramatized in a 2007 movie production from Walden Media entitled Amazing Grace.
In 1787, Wilberforce came in contact with Thomas Clarkson and a group of anti-slave-trade activists, including Granville Sharp, Hannah More and Lord Middleton. They persuaded Wilberforce to take on the cause of abolition, and he soon became one of the leading English abolitionists, heading the parliamentary campaign against the British slave trade until the eventual passage of the Slave Trade Act in 1807.
The Clapham Group
Wilberforce was part of a small band of influential leaders in England called the Clapham Group. They were a small group of leaders operating in the governmental "mountain" of influence. Its members were chiefly prominent and wealthy evangelical Anglicans who shared common political views concerning the liberation of slaves, the abolition of the slave trade and the reform of the penal system.
The group's name originated from Clapham, then a village south of London (today part of southwest London), where both Wilberforce and Thornton, the sect's two most influential leaders, resided and where many of the group's meetings were held. They were supported by Beilby Porteus, bishop of London, who sympathized with many of their aims.
After many decades of work both in British society and in Parliament, the group saw their efforts rewarded with the final passage of the Slave Trade Act in 1807, banning the trade throughout the British Empire and, after many further years of campaigning, the total emancipation of British slaves with the passing of the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833. They also campaigned vigorously for Britain to use its influence to eradicate slavery throughout the world.
It was not a large group. It consisted of less than 20 leaders. However, these leaders were passionate about their faith, their causes and their commitment to those causes.
If we are going to have a positive influence in culture, we must rethink our strategy from "getting more people saved" to "getting more kingdom marketplace leaders operating in the places of influence." Both strategies are important, but cultural change will only happen when a small group of kingdom marketplace leaders operate at the top of these cultural mountains by solving societal problems and bringing a Christian worldview into their leadership.
It just angers me when I come to a forum that I have been coming to for a decade and see some Catholic bigot out of the blue saying that my religion is defective and no one challenges him.
It takes all of the Grace God has given me not to respond in kind.
We need Americans who are Christian, and who vote as Christians, in a democracy, the Christians could still control the nation if they were Christian enough to vote as such.
The left is empowered to control the culture and laws by the vote, that is why Mexican and Latin immigration is so profoundly important to the left.
The Christian denominations that vote anti-Christian, are the foundation of the problem.
It angers and amuses me, when I come to a forum that I have been coming to for over a decade and see people arguing about God, period.
How would you correct this?
Christian denominations that predictably vote for Obama and Al Gore and Clinton to advance the left’s homosexual/abortion agenda, are going to come under question.
What is surprising is when one of those denomination’s voting is so fiercely supported and defended among conservative political activists.
LOL, you and your silly posts, it is like having a kid in the back seat.
Make your own statements, tell us your views.
Moses' will aligned with God's - mostly but for failure in a few areas he was not allowed into the promised land. Ditto for David who experienced a great deal of trouble when he went against God's will - and the people suffered for it.
I cannot think of an example where John the Baptist's will did not align with God's. Same for the Apostle John and Paul (after being called in power) - though we can see Peter's struggle.
I truly believe Billy Graham was called and submitted to God's will his whole life long. But who knows what struggles he might have had and held close to his chest?
And I am reminded of leaders who were raised according to God's will but themselves were pagan or anti His chosen people, e.g. Pharaoh, Cyrus, Nebuchadnezzar, Pontius Pilate. But they had an important part to play.
Likewise in the present Obama administration I perceive a spiritually perilous wrong-headedness concerning Israel, i.e. empowering her enemies and not standing by her side. And yet all that Israel truly needs is God Himself. Nevertheless, this administration puts the US on the wrong side of God's blessing/curse judgment concerning Israel.
That, and the present administrations empowering of agendas which stand in opposition to the will of God vis-à-vis abortion, atheism and homosexual behavior certainly does not indicate a leader whose will comports with God's.
And yet it may well be God's will to raise a leader "just so" in fulfillment of prophecy perhaps - or perhaps to polarize the Spiritual waters forcing people to choose whether to believe Him or not.
Endless mass immigration and replacement by not only new voters, but voters different from the established voters and citizens that are involved in a generations long pendulum, means that there are no pendulums.
America is never going to be what it used to be at any time during it's first 200 years, ever. We will always be something totally new and unlike America, just as we already are.
Already the democrats and the left don't even bother to pretend that they are still connected to 1960 America and before or that they need to address their base in terms and language of America, and tradition, and patriotism.
I would, but I’m not bothered by it.
I take it, your response means you have no actual answer, just words.
What a strange thing to post, those elections are over, why not post the vote results?
I guess you know how the Catholic denomination votes, and maybe the Southern Baptists?
Name a group that has! Not even the Islamists have the "exact same mindset." If anything, the "mindset" of Christians is in more agreement than any other group because its based on the Bible. Sure there is disagreement in some interpretations, but the disagreements are on minutia. Most Bible knowing Christians - Catholics included - do not have disagreements on the major parts of the Bible. If they do, name the major disagreement of the Biblical text; I will gladly show you the non-Biblical and the Biblical difference.
LOL, someday you may start posting something relevant to the threads that you jump on.
Yes, I know, it’s not possible. That’s the way God made us.
I actually was on this thread before you.
Someday, you may actually answer some hard questions instead of just trying to rudely joke your way out of things.
Cal Thomas must have made more money after he left the Falwell organization. Watch for the $$
(as of 2011)
Evangelicals associate 70-24 as Republicans (I would assume many Southern Baptist churches fall into this category)
Catholics associate 43-48 as Democrats
It was a similar ratio in 2008. I don't see what is strange about it. You said that the denominations which vote anti-Christian are the problem and I agree.
I meant 48-43 Democrat...
No one said anything about when you jumped on the thread, and people aren't on FR to answer your endless questions, we aren't your daddy.
""What would be the draw in an infusion of Christian cultural ideas that would make money?""
""You have to have the desire to change the culture don’t you? What would do that?""
""How does one go about making believers in the 21st century? Especially on a large basis.""
""How would that be presented to people that do not believe what you say is the truth? How would that make money?""
""You have to watch it on the tv though?""
""How are you going to show people that the underlying philosophy behind these liberal arguments is just flawed?""
""Why do you think the time is fast approaching and what are the lines that are to be drawn?""
""How would you correct this?""
So far you have 8 posts of these, it is like having a kid in the back seat pestering the adults with endless questions because he can't participate in the actual discussion by stating his own views and presenting his own opinions and positions and conclusions.
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