Boy Scouts-Mormon bond remains intact

Daily Herald ^ | May 24 2013 | AP

[teppe]

Your an idiot.

The LDS Church defines politically incorrectness. Also, of all the Churches in the past 200 years, NO Church has withstood more persecution for its values than mormons!

[GeronL]

I think you are wrong. It will move and more in the wrong direction. This is not a win for the good guys by any stretch of the imagination. Gay Scout leaders in 2 years or less. The ban on sex in camp will be dropped. Pedophiles will flock.

[reaganaut]

The sheen has been coming off for a very long time. They spend a lot of money to keep the PR image up.

I work in ministry helping those who leave Mormonism transition to Christianity. All day long, I deal with stories of Mormon leaders covering up sexual abuse and rape, physical abuse, spiritual abuse, white collar crime (very high in Utah), feelings of ‘unworthiness’ and depression caused by the LDS church. The excuse the LDS give is ‘the LDS church is perfect, the people are not’ but that doesn’t explain the coverup by their leadership or the fact they openly lie to their members.

[reaganaut]

Openly homosexual men (gay means happy, there is nothing happy about sodomy) are not allowed membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I do not know about spin offs or break away groups but homosexuals and lesbians CANNOT be Latter Day Saints or hold any leadership in the church, period. Unless, of course they are lying to their leaders about their homosexuality.

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Wrong and wrong. It was big news last year, an OPENLY homosexual man was called (and still is) as the assistant to the SP in a stake in Northern California.

This is mainstream LDS, not a breakoff. Sorry bud, but your leaders are caving. Even the news article stated he was openly homosexual and the LDS leadership knew it. Want the source?

How will you react when the ‘revelation’ comes down from SLC allowing gay marriage in the temples?

[reaganaut]

Also, a guy I dated when I lived in Utah (who later decided he was homosexual) was open about it and had a nice LDS funeral when he died in a car accident last year. His boyfriend was president and he was EQ leader. Of course, his parents are wealthy so that may have something to do with it.

[reaganaut]

already on it dear :O)

[reaganaut]

Also, of all the Churches in the past 200 years, NO Church has withstood more persecution for its values than mormons!

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BS! Christians (real ones) are killed EVERY day for their faith. When was the last time someone was killed simply because they are LDS.

Stop repeating the lies you are told at church.

WWW.Persecution.org

[sickoflibs]

RE:”already on it dear :O)”

Ok, I admit I was too lazy to look at the comments before I pinged you but I see your comment rate increased after my ping LOL

More important, where is our friend??

Boy Scouts Gays Mormons...

[faithhopecharity]

I am not convinced but you’re in the midst of it so...
good luck in its working out!

[Sans-Culotte]

I've seen several comments on the many BSA/homo threads about how churches will no longer be involved with a homo organization. My thought when I read them: 'but what if the churches themselves are already pro-homo?'

I'm sure there will be plenty of homo churches to host the now-homo BSA.

[lurk]

2023. I owe you a large order of curly fries if the church has not opened the door to gays by then.

[WilliamRobert]

My former son in law to my eldest daughter came out of the closet after hiding his homosexual behavior for many years. He has been excommunicated and has lost his membership in the LDS church.
I know you all feel you have firsthand knowledge, but as an active member and church employee I have firsthand knowledge that no person who exhibits same sex behavior can hold membership in this church. It is not in line with Jesus Christ’s teachings and it is plainly written in the bible.
All information posted here to the contrary is an intentional lie, a misconception, or a misrepresentation. Look it up in the church handbook available online at lds.org. Homosexuals cannot hold membership in the church and this as with all Christ’s teaching will not change.

[reaganaut]

Re your PM accusing me of lying...Prove the lies. I can back it up. I know exactly what I am talking about and I can source it. I can give you plenty of examples of abuse in the LDS church, I can give you a link to the homosexual called to be assistant to the SP.

I was LDS and I now counsel those who leave, every single day I hear more horror stories, even by those who choose to stay for fear of shunning, of abuse in the LDS church.

Your church lies to its members and to the public at large. Take them to task.

I do have firsthand knowledge. They don’t excommunicate like they used to, in part because of the hemorrhage of membership thanks to the interwebs.

Here is the link, this guy wasn’t ex’d like you say he would be. You don’t really know what your church is doing. AFA it not changing, they said that about blacks and the priesthood and polygamy (want quotes?) they caved on that as well.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

[reaganaut]

Please explain then, since you think you know everything about the Morg, why my own stake covered up for a rapist and threatened the women who wanted to press charges?

[reaganaut]

Game.Set.Match.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/child-abuse-cover-up-costs-mormon-church-3-million-71939217.html

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/joannabrooks/6534/boy_scout__perversion_files__raise_questions_about_abuse_in_mormon_contexts

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/12/12/man-sues-lds-church-boy-scouts-over-sex-abuse

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=23366547

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56138958-78/duran-church-girl-document.html.csp

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55497044-78/bothell-child-church-according.html.csp

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56185782-78/cordero-child-church-abuse.html.csp

http://ldssexchildabuse.blogspot.com/

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/12/12/man-sues-lds-church-boy-scouts-over-sex-abuse

On gay Mormons and not being ex’d...

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865568211/Stay-with-us-new-LDS-website-urges-gay-Mormons.html?pg=all

God Loveth His Children, on p. 13 says

“No one is, or ever could be, excluded from the circle of God’s love or the extended arms of His Church, for we are all His beloved sons and daughters. As President Hinckley said: “Our hearts reach out to those who struggle with feelings of affinity for the same gender. We remember you before the Lord, we sympathize with you, we regard you as our brothers and sisters” (Ensign, Nov. 1995, 99).”
http://www.ldsresources.info/ten_issues.php#q6

There are more but you get the idea.

[Jeff Chandler]

As a LDS Scout Master

the joke's on you. if you do the right thing and refuse to bunk homos and straights in the same tents you will be sued.

[Elsie]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints threw its support behind the new policy voted on Thursday by the Boy Scouts of America that opens the door for gay youth to join the ranks, while continuing to ban gay adult Scout leaders.

Are they going to make sure the little twinks remain celibate??

[Elsie]

Are they going to make sure the little twinks remain celibate??

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

How Romney of them.

Well; since they've already thrown their GOD under the bus back in 1890; of COURSE they will shift with the political winds.

[Elsie]

Can’t wait for the gay weddings at the temple.

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What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?

 

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"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982

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"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

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"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65

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"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196

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"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.

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"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965

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"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155

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"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.