Posted on 05/20/2013 4:54:37 PM PDT by stockpirate
NO LINK ON THEIR WEBSITE YET,
Smart people who live in tornado alley, especially in towns that have been hit, have a storm cellar.
That is cover. A trailer is camouflage. One will keep the projectiles from hitting you, the other won’t. I stated it depends on the circumstance and specifically stated that without cover the smart move is to travel at a high rate of speed perpendicular to the tornado track. I know that’s not for everybody though and certainly what I am saying here is in no way meant to criticize any poor soul caught up in that storm. My heart and my prayers go out to them all. They are fellow Americans in bad times. God bless them.
What you are doing is defining a type of sedimentary rock as 'sandstone' even where the grains of sand/silica are glued together with calcium carbonate.
Sandstone glued together with silica is a tad different ~ if you've ever been to Wausau Wisconsin you'd see a ginormous outcropping of the stuff ~ a glacial movement during the last peak period transported much of that mountain to Northern Indiana and Ohio ~ we had a bunch of it in the backyard of the home where i grew up. That was not glued together with calcium carbonate. BTW, disturbingly, I've found some of the same rock here in Northern Virginia so that'd be a glacial period BEFORE the Appalachians rose ~ probably the Snowball Earth period ~ just thinking of the size of an 800 mile long glacial flow.
Back to OK, the three areas you identified as having limestone are simply areas where there is currently active mining, mostly for crushed rock. Over in Indiana that quality of stone is usually turned into portland cement. However, in commercial grades of building limestone, you are going to find that some fine grained early ~ pre-life ~ limestones look to have sand in them.
Looking over the OK soils maps ~ of interest to agriculturalists if not geologists ~ there doesn't seem to be a lot of wind blown loess like you find further North, but there are 'sand hills' ~ in places.
When I look at this map ~ http://tapestry.usgs.gov/ages/carboniferous.html - I see Pennsylvanian limestone, and then coal, in NAWTHAN OKLAHOMA! There are other limestones to the Souf!
My sister lives there, and she and I spoke on the phone tonight. It was close as she lives in Bethany.
I am just so sad — our nation is just plagued by tragedy after tragedy, so many affecting children. Lately I feel as if I don’t want anyone in my family to ever walk out the door anymore.
Prayers for these parents — may God comfort them in this tragic time.
I guess I don't follow you. I think they had about 1/2 to 1 hour warning, most likely 1/2 hour, as the tornado wasn't on the ground all that long west of them... But no matter how much warning they had, what were they supposed to do? Go west into the storm? No. Go south or north, and then west, essentially going around the storm. No, most likely not, as the path is uncertain (how much north or south do I go, to make sure that I miss the storm, before I head back west?). Go east and try to out run the storm? Perhaps, but again, where was it heading, to make sure that you stay out of its way?
And since I think we are talking about the school kids, how on earth are they supposed to get cars and drive? And don't say the school should have: they are not about to take kids out of school and bus them around trying to dodge a tornado, without parental permission. How long would it take to get all the buses up, load everyone up, make sure that all were accounted for, and then head out? Much longer than the warning they had. Even if it worked, lawyers would have a field day with this one. Especially if they didn't outrun it...
No, realistically, taking shelter inside the building the best they could was the lowest risk action they could take.
Trailers never fare well in a tornado. Many places require mobile homes to be anchored to the ground with cables looped around them. They burn pretty good too.
In the places where they have hardpan (sounds pretty wimpy to me, as we have granite underfoot) they could dig down as far as possible, build a concrete vault, and mound dirt up over it.
When I was a kid, my parents told me tornadoes usually travel from Southwest to Northeast, and to stay near the South wall of the basement. Looks like this storm did exactly that.
Amen! These children who perished are now sheltered in the protective arms of Jesus!
Amen! These children who perished are now sheltered in the protective arms of Jesus!I agree. These children are fine, and I've been joining all FReepers in prayer for their families.
Just wondering ... since it seems you have knowledge of this subject. Would it be possible to put in storm cellars/shelters/basements if you were willing to spend the money & time and BLAST out the basement before building on top of it? Today’s tragedy makes it obvious it would be a good thing for everyone in Tornado Alley (including schools and other large buildings) to have a shelter to run to.
Thanks dear. Going to bed now. God’s blessings to you and yours as well.
Medical examiner just confirmed per Fox News that 20 children are confirmed dead. Prayers for all those families.
And you, incorrectly, said Moore, OK 1999 by NWS...and told me to do the interweb thingy....so I did.
As usual, I was correct in saying no anemometer could do that.
To quote..."these speeds were not determined by instrumentation, but rather established by computer doppler wind algorithms."
My wife and I sold our house of ten years on April 15th. It’s gone. We were in the Briarwood neighborhood and have many friends and old neighbors who lost everything. We’re all safe though shaken up. This tornado went from no clouds in the sky to F-5 in barely an hour.
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was this true?
horrible
They have some above ground “safe rooms”... hardened rooms, but that becomes meaningless with such a powerful storm
The death toll is now at 91..the medical examiner is expecting 40 more bodies which brought the death toll to that number. She said that she expects more children to be brought in :(
Yes I am afraid it is very true.
That is horrible!
At 2;30pm I checked the radar before I went out to mow the lawn, there was not a cloud in the sky. I had to quit mowing after 10 minutes because it was pouring rain and thundering.
In 45 minutes we had a F4 or F5 twister ripping a 2 mile wide, 317 mph path through Moore.
The tornado sucked the water from ponds and left them dry, turned grass lawns and fields to bare dirt ground, and left cement slabs where houses once stood. They are finding debris from the tornado in Arkansas.
I imagine a lot of folks didn’t have time to get to shelters even if they had one. May 3 1999 we had hours before the tornado hit Moore. This one did not afford us that luxury.
God, grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
I’m great-full to be alive
God bless, and good night
91!
yikes
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