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1 posted on 05/15/2013 8:38:02 AM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Steelers6

This has nothing to do with lowering DUI deaths. This has everything to do with raising revenues and making more people criminals.


2 posted on 05/15/2013 8:42:33 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Steelers6

The term “Way” is a bit over the top.

They also split the vote with “Zero” and “Fine with me”

Done.


3 posted on 05/15/2013 8:42:35 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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Have to disagree with you on that one.

Used to have a job which involved (in part) reviewing photos of major traffic collisions. Also had a chance to work with one of the most recognized BA experts in SoCal.

It doesn't take very much booze before people are too impaired to drive properly.

Only exception is hard core alkies who have built up tolerance — but they usually are the ones with exceptionally high BA levels when they kill someone.

4 posted on 05/15/2013 8:42:37 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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Here’s something that I’ve wondered about for a very long time...

Have any studies been done regarding the number of accidents caused by impaired drivers, corelated to the BAC?

When I mean is how many accidents are caused by people with a BAC of say, 0.2 vs 0.15 vs 0.1 vs 0.08...

The simple question I have is how will effectively legislating a “zero tolerance” BAC make any difference for someone who gets rip-roaring drunk and gets into an accident?

However, by instituting a zero tolerance BAC, what will this do to the restuarant/bar industry? How many people in the hospitality industries would lose their jobs and how many businesses might have to close down?

Mark


5 posted on 05/15/2013 8:45:29 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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I read some stats on this and it seems that the MADDs and others
consider it a “death averted” every time a DUI arrest is made.

Which is a steaming load of crap.


7 posted on 05/15/2013 8:48:46 AM PDT by humblegunner
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Can they show us any evidence lowering from .10 to .08 has made any difference?


8 posted on 05/15/2013 8:49:19 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Steelers6

The lower the legal limit the more limited freedom becomes.


15 posted on 05/15/2013 8:54:30 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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Automate Driving

I say we accelerate the google self driving car and make it the norm.

Imagine a world where...


18 posted on 05/15/2013 8:56:09 AM PDT by DannyTN
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Sounds good to me. 35%

I agree with this. I think a 35% BA should be just about right.

19 posted on 05/15/2013 8:59:01 AM PDT by super7man
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Shouldn’t be a numerical standard anyway. Some people are impaired at 0.01, while long-time alkies are probably functional at 0.12. Nothing but going back to a performance-based test is acceptable. If you think it’s too subjective because it relies on the officer’s judgment, then use some kind of automated, but still performance-based, test.


24 posted on 05/15/2013 9:03:58 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Now everyone has to give up using Listerine in the morning.


25 posted on 05/15/2013 9:04:13 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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Why not ban alcohol altogether?

After all it is against Islam.

Obama didnt drink his when he toasted the Queen. (watch the video of that ass-clown messing up the toast)

He had a ‘beer-summit’ with that racist college professor who got himself arrested, but did any one see him drink?

Or, how about a BLT sandwich, or pork chops, any one ever SEE him actually eat pork?


29 posted on 05/15/2013 9:05:53 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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Consider that reducing BAC limits to low amounts, or to zero DOES reduce alcohol-involved fatalities and accidents.

The problem is that it simply causes some of the folks who drank responsibly not to drink (out of fear of prosecution), so the same fatal accidents they have on the way home from the picnic or dinner are no longer classified as “alcohol-related.”

The accident risk at 0.10 is elevated, but no more than for sober drivers who are elderly, inexperienced, or distracted.


37 posted on 05/15/2013 9:22:04 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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Hmmm.... Guess I’ll have to walk to the bar and stumble home...


44 posted on 05/15/2013 9:48:52 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Cell phone use is about as deadly as a .08 BAC


46 posted on 05/15/2013 9:59:29 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (“I will not participate in a broken, untrustworthy system.”)
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Sober cell phone use is about as deadly as a .08 BAC


47 posted on 05/15/2013 10:01:28 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (“I will not participate in a broken, untrustworthy system.”)
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Texting while driving is many, many times worse than drinking and driving. Why are texaholics not being crucified?


48 posted on 05/15/2013 10:07:49 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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We are doing everything we can to destroy the restaurant industry.


49 posted on 05/15/2013 10:10:41 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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The drunk-driving legal crusade has become the current home of modern-day abolitionists. This has nothing at all with curbing drinking and driving, it has everything to do with drinking, period.


50 posted on 05/15/2013 10:24:02 AM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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People should be careful about what they wish for they may get it. As an example British Columbia, Canada effectively dropped the BAC from .08 to .05 and secured their place as having the toughest DUI laws in Canada.

I have relatives in Vancouver and from what was related to me the police were given quite a bit of latitude in enforcement. When the law went into effect DUI check points sprang up like toad stools after a rain storm. Initially it was not unusual to go through several in the course of a week.

The police increased their traffic stops in sort a vehicular version of “stop and frisk” with a roadside sobriety test as the desired result. The initial stop would be predicated on a stated minor traffic infraction such as not signaling on a lane change. Then if license and registration were in order you got to blow in a breathalyzer. If you were negative the police had the option to cut you a break in the supposedly observed traffic infraction.

Granted a few were nailed initially. Pubs/taverns as well as some restaurants noticed a decrease in business and cab companies got more business. It has calmed down somewhat and there is push back thru the courts.

http://lifeafterimpairedcharge.com/canadian-impaired-driving-laws-2/british-columbia-introduces-stricter-alcohol-penalties/
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Although a driver may not be charged criminally (unless there are obvious signs of impairment, and then an Impaired Driving criminal charge could be laid), the Province is providing DUI penalties for those found to have a BAC of between 0.05 and 0.08 while driving.

The new British Columbia law provides for harsh penalties for those drivers which include an automatic 3 day suspension, a 3 day vehicle impoundment and $400.00 in fines and legal fees.

52 posted on 05/15/2013 10:44:41 AM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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