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Monsanto Wins Case on Genetically Altered Soybeans
The New York Times ^ | 13 May 2013 | Adam Liptak

Posted on 05/13/2013 8:50:24 AM PDT by Theoria

Edited on 05/13/2013 9:14:20 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The Supreme Court unanimously ruled on Monday that farmers may not use Monsanto

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: contract; corporation; farming; gmo; gmoshills; monsanto; patent; supremecourt
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To: Theoria

Pretty much a no-brainier; and the correct decision.


21 posted on 05/13/2013 9:13:00 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Sgt_Schultze
What happens to ownership of plants that are used for seed after being cross pollinated by bees or wind? Does Monsanto own the new variant too?

Monsanto will get custody every other weekend and two weeks in summer.

22 posted on 05/13/2013 9:14:21 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: pgyanke
How long before we will have to pay a fee to a software or computer company for the products, services and advertising we use them for?

I read somewhere that was what the next iteration of MS Office would be, and I ran into a Corel customer satisfaction survey (I use WordPerfect) that indicated they were considering going the "paid subscription service" route -- so you might not be too far off.

23 posted on 05/13/2013 9:17:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

‘”paid subscription service” ‘——Yep. Corel in the Clouds. Wonderful, instead of $60 for software, yeah get to purchase a sub for year.


24 posted on 05/13/2013 9:18:56 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Sir Napsalot
This has nothing to do with Monsanto being evil for not.

Conservatives should not cheer for piracy on intellectual property, the same as someone else trying to steal others’ labor.

Also my observation: Monsanto may have won this case, but they already have lost a huge battle in PR.

25 posted on 05/13/2013 9:21:19 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Of interest to you


26 posted on 05/13/2013 9:24:35 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Theoria
‘”paid subscription service” ‘——Yep. Corel in the Clouds. Wonderful, instead of $60 for software, yeah get to purchase a sub for year.

I made sure to put into the survey that it was a stupid idea -- and they'd definitely lose me as a customer; kinda sad because I like WordPerfect -- because anyone who would have a need to keep things secure (like lawyers working a sensitive case) would be exposing their data to unnecessary risks... on the plus-side I've not heard anything more about the idea so hopefully MS will go that route and lose the major market-share.

That might be a good thing for Open Office too... considering it's basically an MS clone, such a system would run antithetical to the sensibilities of the OO developers and they'd likely break to "go their own way".

27 posted on 05/13/2013 9:25:53 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Theoria

How did the supremes know that he hadn’t simply selected ordinary soybean mutations for roundup resistance thus replicating the process (which can’t be patented) that Monsanto used to find the resistant strain in the first place? Anyone can select for anti-biotic resistant microbes. just plate bacteria on a culture with a low level of antibiotic. Take the survivors and repeat at a higher concentration of antibiotic until you have your anti-biotic resistant yersinia pestis ready to market. Same with soybeans. More expensive since you have to use a LOT of soybeans (but a lot safer), but no reason that anyone can’t do exactly that.


28 posted on 05/13/2013 9:27:00 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Theoria

Will the last small farm owner please turn out the lights on your way out.


29 posted on 05/13/2013 9:31:38 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Sir Napsalot
This has nothing to do with Monsanto being evil for not.

It does, but more tangentially than directly.

Conservatives should not cheer for piracy on intellectual property, the same as someone else trying to steal others’ labor.

This wasn't piracy; it did not occur on the seas. This was not theft of intellectual property, the results of it perhaps, but not the property itself -- but it was not theft at all, he made a legal purchase. Moreover, it wasn't even a violation of his contract with them -- he did not keep the seed; if they wanted to prevent something like this from happening they would have also included a "you can't sell this to the general public"- or "anyone you sell this to has to sign a copy of this contract"-type clause.

I'm sorry, but they were in the wrong; the guy found a perfectly legitimate, legal (and lawful, he broke no law) loophole.

Also my observation: Monsanto may have won this case, but they already have lost a huge battle in PR.

I have to ask if that even matters; Congress has horrid PR -- like the lowest ever -- and yet they're still allowed to conduct business as usual.

30 posted on 05/13/2013 9:33:33 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
>>> I'm sorry, but they were in the wrong; the guy found a perfectly legitimate, legal (and lawful, he broke no law) loophole.

Not true, as I said in previous comment. “Keywords - Unanimous and limited scope” on this SCOTUS decision. Don't try to interpret it into encompassing all issues under the sun.

31 posted on 05/13/2013 9:37:09 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Liberty Valance

I’m really concerned about how this will affect my backyard garden. I plant many heirloom seeds, and I’ve been increasing their use over the last few years. If nature does what it does, and without my knowledge or consent my heirlooms get cross-pollinated with Monsanto’s things, will they come after me? Granted, I have shallow pockets and I’m just a gardener so I doubt they WOULD but I’m disturbed if they COULD. If they have been given the legal right to do this it’s very frightening. Control the food supply . . .


32 posted on 05/13/2013 9:46:56 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
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33 posted on 05/13/2013 9:47:56 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Lady Jag

I love it!


34 posted on 05/13/2013 9:52:45 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: pgyanke

How long before we will have to pay a fee to a software or computer company for the products, services and advertising we use them for?


Basically, you already do. Don’t expect your software to work for more than a few years. And don’t expect to be able to resell it after you are done using it.

If you want inventions, you need to grant exclusivity. And it will be in the public domain in 20 years. Meanwhile, farmers can use the old beans.


35 posted on 05/13/2013 9:52:54 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I thought you might find it handy.

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36 posted on 05/13/2013 10:06:43 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Soy beans aren’t cross pollinated by bees or wind.


37 posted on 05/13/2013 10:11:00 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Theoria

Avoid soy, genetically altered or not, as much as you possibly can, and doubly so for children. It turns your boys into girls, and your girls into women (too early). It couldn’t be worse for you, and it is in almost all processed foods.


38 posted on 05/13/2013 10:11:44 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: RadiationRomeo

May I guess that you’re not a farmer?


39 posted on 05/13/2013 10:12:53 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: from occupied ga

“How did the supremes know that he hadn’t simply selected ordinary soybean mutations for roundup resistance thus replicating the process (which can’t be patented) that Monsanto used to find the resistant strain in the first place?”

Its actually quite easy to show that the resistance was not naturally selected for by examining the sequence of the gene and the region around it.


40 posted on 05/13/2013 10:13:47 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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