Posted on 05/10/2013 4:51:10 AM PDT by count-your-change
(In an interview)Rossi tried to clear up one new mystery by admitting that the 1 megawatt ecat plant he had delivered to an unidentified “military customer” on Oct. 28, 2011 did not work.
Rossi told Allen that that there were lots of problems with that unit including hydraulics failures, distribution failures and a poor choice of coolant. He said a new unit that presumably has many of the bugs worked out was built and shipped to the military customer.
Some statements indicate that Rossi and his team are close to being able to create steam for the generation of electricity with the so-called hot ecat. Rossi said testing on the hot ecat was done by an unidentified third party from March 18 to March 23. He noted that four college professors whom he refused to identify participated in the testing. He did say they were from different parts of the world.
The professors apparently brought their own instruments and Rossi did not watch the testing. Nor did the professors tell him the results of the testing. Once again Rossi stated that the results of the tests will be revealed in a publication in a peer reviewed scientific journal. Rossi didn’t say which journal or when it will come out. In a post on his blog Rossi stated it might take as long as six months for the report to be published.
Rossi also admitted that his team is still far from the production of electricity despite the success of the hot ecat.
(Excerpt) Read more at e-cat.com ...
Maybe the e-cat was producing steam for a turbine to produce electricity but Rossi had said that he was only in the discussion stage with Siemens about turbines.
Note in this interview that the much hyped unit Rossi claimed was sent to a U.S. customer DIDN'T work! Sorry folks, What do you expect for a million bucks?
Shipping a device to a customer that doesn’t work is the height of incompetence (or deceptive behavior). I think that should convince any non-kool-aid person that it’s a scam.
You know, I can imagine Henry Ford delivering an experimental vehicle to a "military customer" and maybe -- just maybe -- the vehicle wouldn't work. I'm damn sure that Henry Ford would have put a technician on a train, and made sure that the vehicle was made to work. That's what it was designed for. That's what it was built for. Your machines are supposed to work, and if they don't, then you fix 'em.
If Rossi delivered an e-cat that "doesn't work", then he's just a con man.
It didn’t work? Now that is surprising.
Years ago when I worked in printing, the company I worked for bought a new experimental trimmer for me to use. It came with a 3 week on the job training course with a German technician.
The trimmer did work but required a fair number of systemic changes in our whole book binding process. After the tech left I had to log all adjustments, break downs, downtime, maintenance and send it to the company in Germany.
That machine was a decade in the making and we were taking part in the final real world testing.
It’s never going to work. There’s no there, there.
Maybe it can be rebuilt on the kitchen table of that condo in Florida, world heatquarters of Leonardo Corp.
Or in that empty warehouse Rossi calls a factory in Italy.
The comic opera writ anew.
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Rossi invites suspicion because he is mercurial and shifty, with a trail of illusory and sometimes broken promises, a lack of public third party verification, and more than a few disappointed former supporters. Yet independent inventors are often like that, being difficult and driven personalities who readily alienate others.
Moreover, even though inventors commonly crave wider success and recognition for their work, they have cause to be fearful of having their ideas and inventions stolen if the details are prematurely disclosed before patent rights and business arrangements are secure. Many inventors do get swindled out of the fame and material rewards their inventions generate, with investors, business partners, copycats, and rival inventors predatory against the original inventor.
Apart from Rossi, the fundamental issues are whether LENR is genuine, and, if so, is there is a practical way to exploit it? Large, credible organizations like NASA and the University of Missouri seem to regard LENR as a genuine phenomena and are trying to work out the physics behind it. Yet, even if we accept LENR as real, the harder question is whether it can be exploited in a practical and commercially useful way.
Although Rossi is vexing for his secretiveness and broken promises, his conduct is explicable if he is legitimate. Plausibly, Rossi discovered how to generate substantial excess heat using LENR and then went public to stake his claim against competition and to attract financial support.
Yet Rossi was premature because he did not have a practical and useful LENR device that could be produced and marketed. Despite continued progress, the difficulties of engineering such a device may account for Rossi's delays and evasions.
The bottom line: keep watching. LENR is apparently a valid phenomena, with substantial academic research and commercial interest. Rossi and his partners -- or their rivals -- may well be nearing the introduction of commercially useful LENR devices. If not, Rossi at least is headed for a hard and entertaining fall, as either a fraud or a self-deluded kook.
That is the gist of the matter. Research is being done, theories proposed, and interest great enough that the idea won't dry up and stop. The world will get along just fine if LENR remains in the lab for few years on it's present budget.
Hot fusion should demonstrate that pouring billions into a project doesn't mean a practical device will emerge.
Aviation was like that for several decades, with hucksters and genuine innovators hard to distinguish and the best innovators often at odds.
For example, even though the Wright brothers pioneered powered flight, it was Glenn Curtiss who came up with the movable control surfaces that made aircraft flight practical on a routine basis. He and the Wrights then battled over credit and patent rights for many years, but the disputes were settled and the companies they founded merged in 1929. For a time, the Curtiss-Wright Corporation was the dominant US aviation manufacturer.
We shall see if Rossi comes up with something useful. My guess is that even if he does, others will be hard on his heels with competing devices, with lots of entertaining bickering and litigation to ensue. The eventual results is likely to be cross patenting, mergers, and LENR devices that combine the best features offered by disparate approaches.
Remember the picture on one of these threads of an e-cat supposedly heating some object, a metal tube of some kind?
Not one person asked how that object was being heated to red hotness. It appeared to have wires attached to it but Rossi had said earlier he had no machine capable of producing electricity.
so maybe the e-cat was turning water into steam to run a turbine and generator? Not in picture and Rossi had said he was only talking to a turbine manufacturer.
So what was producing the electricity?
The Wrights had a good well researched product that was based upon well known scientific principles hence it lent itself to improvement.
I think at this point pumping huge amounts of money into LENR research might actually retard it.
I think that LENR will benefit from a competitive, try anything scramble by independent inventors like Rossi aiming at a useful device, with institutional science trying to determine the physics involved. Even if the inventors achieve a breakthrough in the form of a practical working device, deep pocketed investors and business partners will be skeptical until institutional science verifies the physics.
As dodgy as Rossi is, he may still be onto something genuine. By way of analogy, here is an example of a remarkably potent new insulating material that clearly worked: The miracle 'everything-proof' paint that could change the world - but the secret may have died with its inventor.
The eccentric inventor -- a former hairdresser with no scientific training -- created his near-miraculous insulating paint with common materials in a food processor on his kitchen table. Unfortunately, the inventor proved impossible to deal with and the secret may have died with him.
That’s an amazing story about the paint. But therein is the difference than what we see in the e-cats....the one and only one that is actually known to exist didn’t work.
That would be like the egg bursting into flames at the first approach of the torch.
True enough: Rossi has not yet demonstrated a practical device may never do so. The point I attempted to convey is that as bad as Rossi looks at times, Maurice Ward, who was even more eccentric and without scientific credentials, nevertheless produced a remarkable substance and seems to have irrationally taken the secret to the grave. Like Ward, if Rossi establish his claims, he may continue to be squirrelly and vexing to deal with.
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