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Meet the billionaire hedge fund manager quietly shaping the GOP gay marriage debate (Paul E. Singer)
The Washington Post ^ | May 3, 2013 | Sean Sullivan

Posted on 05/06/2013 2:59:10 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: OneWingedShark; kabumpo

Libertarianism is a cancer that has helped the left promote the destruction of our culture and society, partly by adding another way of saying the same thing, today one can say “I am with the conservatives on economics, but am libertarian on social issues”.

Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


61 posted on 05/06/2013 5:12:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You keep dwelling on marriage, but you also support homosexualizing the military and adoption and child custody don’t you?


62 posted on 05/06/2013 5:15:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: ansel12

Actually a libertarian would take it away from the Federales and return it to the States and the People and let them decide.


63 posted on 05/06/2013 5:25:22 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: EveningStar

“...spend millions influencing...”

Gee...kinda makes republican’ts whores, doesn’t it?

(technically, prostitutes, but I prefer the harsher language to describe those who sell their votes.)


64 posted on 05/06/2013 5:27:13 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: ansel12
So you don’t support the first sentence then, only the following sentences? This you don’t agree with? “”Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.”

There's a lot there, "gender identity" is a crock so on that alone I'd say 'nope, don't agree.'
If it's 'gender' I'd have to ask: do you wish to bar marriage, child custody, adoption, etc, based on that? Why? (I'd agree; I mean is it right men are denied child custody because they are male?)
Now the big one: sexual orientation:
Let me answer it this way: if there's a homosexual, who becomes Christian fully [i.e. real conversion and not lip service], but is still beset with homosexual desires should that alone preclude him from any of the above?* I would say no, because the Law deals with what is done not what could happen. -- In short "being homosexual" (that is susceptible to that temptation) should not factor into guilt or innocence of law-breaking because temptation is not action.

ON THE OTHER HAND, [active] homosexuals are statistically more likely to be child molesters -- I rather prefer the death penalty for rapists & murderers, it ensures there are no repeat offenses.

* - This says "current marriage", given most states still do not accept homosexual marriage let's assume bisexual marriage; should he be barred from that? I think not.

65 posted on 05/06/2013 5:29:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Little Ray

No, a real libertarian would do what they already do, leave abortion up to the individual to decide for themselves without any limits or restrictions, that is why they wrote it down.

“”we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.””

They mean kept out of All and any government, people forget that libertarians don’t just work to pass their left-wing agenda at the federal level, but at ALL levels, local, county, state, school board, anywhere and everywhere.


66 posted on 05/06/2013 5:32:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You keep dwelling on marriage, but you also support homosexualizing the military and adoption and child custody don’t you?


67 posted on 05/06/2013 5:34:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: ansel12

He’s making it more non-existent.


68 posted on 05/06/2013 5:35:57 PM PDT by lu shissler (an take his naiv)
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To: EveningStar; Old Sarge; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Finatic; fellowpatriot; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

69 posted on 05/06/2013 5:36:20 PM PDT by narses
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To: OneWingedShark

God instituted marriage, and defined it.

Government therefore has only two choices: Follow the laws of nature and of nature’s God, or not.

They can pretend that gravity doesn’t exist, but when they start to put their insanity into practice by jumping off 80 foot cliffs, the rocks at the bottom aren’t going to care much what they think or believe.

What this fight is over is whether or not we’re going to let them take our country, and our children, and our posterity, over the cliff with them.


70 posted on 05/06/2013 5:40:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life, liberty, property, family, RKBA, sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the oath.)
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To: lu shissler

How does promoting and selling the libertarian homosexual agenda to the conservatives make libertarianism more non-existent?


71 posted on 05/06/2013 5:42:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: EternalVigilance
God instituted marriage, and defined it.
Government therefore has only two choices: Follow the laws of nature and of nature’s God, or not.

Agreed.

They can pretend that gravity doesn’t exist, but when they start to put their insanity into practice by jumping off 80 foot cliffs, the rocks at the bottom aren’t going to care much what they think or believe.

What this fight is over is whether or not we’re going to let them take our country, and our children, and our posterity, over the cliff with them.

Agreed.

72 posted on 05/06/2013 5:59:48 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ansel12
You keep dwelling on marriage, but you also support homosexualizing the military and adoption and child custody don’t you?

You keep dwelling on homosexuality... that means you're a homo, doesn't it!?

[/homophobia]

73 posted on 05/06/2013 6:00:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: EveningStar

You know what makes History? When it is made. If the republican party slides further to the left in 2016... it isn’t going to be an academic question. The TEA party will either drag the republicans back across the divide or we will end that party.

LLS


74 posted on 05/06/2013 6:06:41 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: OneWingedShark

That didn’t make any sense, but it was childish.

You must understand what I was asking you don’t you? I guess that I should just point it out rather than ask, you keep avoiding what we have to assume about your libertarian support of the homosexual agenda, you support homosexualizing the military, adoption and child custody.

Conservatives think you are wrong, lefties love that you support them.


75 posted on 05/06/2013 6:06:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Excellent points and we know “from whom all blessings flow”.

LLS


76 posted on 05/06/2013 6:21:17 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: ansel12
That didn’t make any sense, but it was childish.

I've already answered your question.

You must understand what I was asking you don’t you? I guess that I should just point it out rather than ask, you keep avoiding what we have to assume about your libertarian support of the homosexual agenda, you support homosexualizing the military, adoption and child custody.

You refuse to read what I've said -- I do not support it [the "homosexual agenda"], if I did then I would have said it.

What I did say is that the government should deal with people via the law, and that the law should be concerned with actions...
Homosexual[-ity] isn't a verb, and therefore shouldn't be the law's purview, and by that attribute shouldn't be the concern of government.
[Murder, perjure, steal are verbs and therefore actions and therefore possibly the concern of the law.]

In short homosexuality isn't a problem that can or should be addressed by the government, it should be addressed by the Church.

77 posted on 05/06/2013 6:22:33 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Indeed we do. Can’t have “Blessings” without a “Bless-er.”


78 posted on 05/06/2013 6:40:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life, liberty, property, family, RKBA, sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the oath.)
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To: OneWingedShark

So you do support homosexuals in the military, homosexuals adopting, etc. which is the homosexual agenda.

You also support gay marriage and polygamy as long as a Mosque or church somewhere does, I guess atheists are flat out of luck.

Of course the military has to accept those “marriages”.


79 posted on 05/06/2013 6:43:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: ansel12
Of course the military has to accept those “marriages”.

Don't they already have to accept the marriages of polygamist countries when in those countries?

You also support gay marriage and polygamy as long as a Mosque or church somewhere does,

I didn't say that -- If you're incapable of comprehending that some things are not with the state's purview then discussing theology or religion with you is a waste of time because you would be incapable of it.

I guess atheists are flat out of luck.

They already are.

So you do support homosexuals in the military, homosexuals adopting, etc. which is the homosexual agenda.

That's stupid; a homosexual could already do all of that for all of American history: albeit they had best shut-the-hell-up about being homosexual.
The "Homosexual agenda" is about preferential treatment because of their homosexuality, and using the state to define marriage to include the "homosexual lifestyle.

80 posted on 05/06/2013 7:01:20 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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