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There's that 90% lie again.
1 posted on 04/29/2013 10:08:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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He’s just trying to make points with Obama and the Progressives. he will go no place—he will be tarnished by it. He’s hoping the voters will have a short memory—I think he’s betting on the wrong horse this time.


2 posted on 04/29/2013 10:10:55 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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The senate has moved on to the immigration bill, I don't see them moving the debate back on to gun control, and end up risking both amnesty and gun control in the process. The only way I see that happening is if there is another Newtown like attack, which sadly enough many of the ghouls are probably hoping for...
3 posted on 04/29/2013 10:13:06 AM PDT by apillar
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I care! Manchin is a gun grabbing idiot!!

4 posted on 04/29/2013 10:14:09 AM PDT by Perseverando (The truth is hate to those who hate the truth.)
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Yes. Because it shoes Libs never ever stop trying to deny your rights and that many of the GOP are willing to help them continue to do just that.


5 posted on 04/29/2013 10:16:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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Note how entirely partisan the Post is in this article, which is supposed to be about politics, not opinion. Not one word on the questionable constitutionality of the bill. Not one word on the costs. Not one word about the bill being “controversial.

Everything in the Article implies that this bill was entirely desirable and workable.

Then again, this is exactly what we expect from the Obama Administration Post.

6 posted on 04/29/2013 10:16:58 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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He sounds a little bit desperate. And pathetic.

And by the way, thanks a lot, WV.

7 posted on 04/29/2013 10:17:24 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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I really don’t think the problem is with the bill itself. I don’t support extra background checks ... but I think most people probably would.

The real problem is — nobody trusts the President or his lackies. When they say “its just about background checks at gun shows” nobody believes it. Nobody trusts that the Senate has even read the bill. Nobody trusts that Democrats wouldn’t shove some stupid incomprehensible footnote into a supposed ‘background check’ bill that chipped away at something other than background checks.

Manchin’s problem isn’t the bill. Manchin’s problem is the bill’s supporters.

SnakeDoc


9 posted on 04/29/2013 10:23:42 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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show me how his bill stops another newtown. it won’t.

show me how this ill isn’t infringement disguised as “regulation”. regulation in the 2nd amendmnpent is a specific term meant to be applied to the practice and drilling of the militia, not restricting what arms a citizen could or couldn’t own,’nor had anything to do with background checks or waiting periods, or how you could sell your own firearm to someone else.


10 posted on 04/29/2013 10:24:15 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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The late British gun writer, Geoffrey Boothroyd, was fond of saying the only natural enemies of guns are rust and politicians. It’s now obvious that politicians have proved far more dangerous.


11 posted on 04/29/2013 10:25:01 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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Yes, that 90% lie gives them the *authority* to abolish the 2nd Amendment by default.

They will never stop. Even AFTER they pass some full disarmament legislation - it will not be enough.

Ruling Class Oligarchs and Leftists always end up going all the way - to genocide as the final solution - to all the problems they demand get solved.


12 posted on 04/29/2013 10:28:59 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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If they honestly intended to strengthen the 'National Instant Check System' (NICS) at the retail point of sale at the gun store, I'm won't quarrel with them and neither would most NRA members and non-affiliated shooters and gun owners. I'm just surprised that most people in America think it actually does something useful. Unfortunately, very few people know what the NICS check does.

NICS doesn't check a firearm's serial number, nor is it required to check a Social Security Number of an applicant, or establish residency, or anything else. It's just a yellow sheet from the ATF that says "If you lie on this form, you are in big trouble mister" and then does pretty much nothing else. The ATF very rarely prosecutes criminals for illegally attempting to purchase a firearm from legal means even if they perjure themselves on the ATF Form 4474 used in the NICS check. I think I read that that there were 80 convictions last year out of tens of thousands of denials, many of which were invalid denials because of shoddy government records-keeping. All NICS does is check an FBI database of known felons assembled from data provided to the FBI by the separate states, if they ever got around to it or are the least bit accurate. No state Dept of Justice will testify their records are accurate or up to date.

I'm fairly certain that if I had the go-ahead from some Congressional committee and immunity from prosecution by the DOJ, I could easily go around illegally purchasing firearms after submitting to a full NICS check using legitimate state-issued identification under fraudulent names. In fact, I bet I could acquire a legitimate state-issued driver's license under the name 'Dzhokar Tsarnaev' and turn right around and pass a Federal NICS check.

It also amazes me that teachers all over America rejected the notion that they're law enforcement officers in determining which of the students in their classes are illegal aliens when that was a hot issue, yet we demand that some fellow running a legitimate gun shop be a cop who who is an illegal alien and who's not --- never mind that several states give driver's licenses and state ID to illegal aliens.

Don't even get me started on how the Virginia Tech shooter and other recent spree-killers wouldn't have shown up on the NICS check even though they'd been institutionalized, even the loony that plugged Gabby Giffords. The mental health advocates are very much against adding wackos to the NICS check, and those incidents are the ones which prompted this whole 'Background Check' debate.

America needs to understand what the NICS background check actually consists of, not merely that "We oughtta have more background checks!"; our background checks we have no amount to basically jack and squat.

13 posted on 04/29/2013 10:37:10 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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I heard some say that this will become “Obama’s Stalingrad,” that is a battle that he can neither win nor retreat from, and it will suck all the energy out of his secod term. One can only hope.


14 posted on 04/29/2013 10:43:55 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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Manchin is the one who’s done.


15 posted on 04/29/2013 10:44:48 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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There's that 90% lie again

It is frigthening how in lock-step the government and media are at this point.

16 posted on 04/29/2013 10:49:24 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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Even after intense lobbying by President Obama, winning bipartisan support, and polling that showed 90 percent of Americans supported the idea...

They're still pushing that chestnut?

18 posted on 04/29/2013 11:01:11 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq He could sure play that axe. RIP anymore, it's about the USA!)
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Someone should shove a sex toy into Sen. Joe Manchin's mouth and through his spinal cord.
The only way to stop these stinkin' liberals is to bury them.
19 posted on 04/29/2013 11:04:07 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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"...after ... polling that showed 90 percent of Americans supported the idea, the push to expand background checks failed."

The MSM is so far gone, that they honestly believe they can continue to sell this swill in the face of simple logic and reasoning.

Any bill that has that level of strong support among the American people, will sail through Congress without a hitch. If a bill that is being pushed with all the force the White House can muster fails to pass, it's a clear sign that most Senators know which way the winds of public opinion are blowing on it.

So does the lying MSM.

20 posted on 04/29/2013 11:22:42 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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