Now officials claim Boston bombing suspect was NOT armed in boat showdown - despite police account

dailymail.co.uk ^ | 4/24/13 | AP and Daily Mail Reporter

[ColdOne]

full title....Now officials claim Boston bombing suspect was NOT armed in boat showdown - despite police account of firefight and him 'shooting himself'

Two unnamed U.S. officials have told the Associated Press that the surviving suspect in the Boston bombings was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard.

The report contradicts the Boston police department's own account of Dzhokar Tsarnaev's capture on Friday - after commissioner Ed Davies described a firefight between him and officers before the terror suspect was captured.

The New York Times also said an M4 rifle had been found on the boat - another claim contradicted by the latest revelations.

Officers had originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Tsarnaev for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.

But on Wednesday, the law enforcement officials told the AP that no gun was found aboard the vessel.

[varyouga]

So they basically sprayed the boat and then sent the robot to check on him.

What if it wasn’t the bomber hiding in the boat?

What if somebody else was in the house with Dorner when they torched the place?

These idiots don’t think and don’t give a sh** about anyone but themselves.

[cripplecreek]

Why is nobody bothering to ask where the blood came from that attracted the attention of the boat owner in the first place?

The boat owner said it was a lot of blood so the little scumbag must have been pretty seriously wounded when he got in there in the first place.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

So how and when did he shoot himself in the throat?

[elkfersupper]

Then why did the cops shoot some poor sap's boat full of holes?

The boat owner made a mistake by inviting the cops onto his property. He should have taken care of it himself, like people do where I live.

[struggle]

You know...Adam Lanza...

[alloysteel]

Bingo. This is a German Reichstag fire scenario gone awry, and the principal suspects are just being spirited away beyond reach before a thorough inquiry may be made. The placing of the person of interest, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, under arrest and giving him his Miranda rights, ended any inquiry in that direction. The Saudi suspect is also in hiding somewhere, preparatory to being slipped out of the country and back into Saudi “custody”, which means the FBI shall NEVER question him. The older Brother Tsarnaev, of course is silenced by death, probably in part because he was run over by his younger brother while fleeing.

This is much worse than Watergate, or even Benghazi. The Current Regime is in overdrive and overload, trying to “fix” the history of events, and if the wheels come off this, they are in so much trouble.

Bodies hanging on lamp posts is a dreadful sight to behold, but it may come to that. The question is, whose bodies, and in what venue?

[1035rep]

“Two unnamed U.S. officials have told the Associated Press”

I’m suppose to believe this?

[dragnet2]

The only thing clear in the Boston event, is the government and media even though they know the truth, have opted not to tell the truth.

[Candor7]

They sprayed the boat...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Apparently Suspect #2 huddled behind the boats engine block , which more than likely saved his life.

So many were shooting that police did not know they were close to shooting at each oither, something that happens in war.Remember that the police just had exploding bomb(s) hurled at them, one as large as one of the bombs they employed on Boylston street.The top of opne pressure cooker bomb was found embedded in a car, and when something xplodes like that, peoples ears are ringing like bells and
adrenalin is pumping high.

The police cannot be fauklted for that either, but if you watch video of the situation , you will hear a Boston accents yelling over a bull horn, “ Hold your fiyah!”
Then the send the armored vehicle in and later suspect #2 got out of the boat on his own. unassisted with one leg over the gunnel of the boat.OPne can see photos of the suspect being treated for his neck wound right after he was cuffed, pouring on what appears to be sulfa drugs from a police wound pack, as he lay on his back with his cuffed hands under him.

In all liklihood he received the would from a richochet while he was in the boat or driving his vehicle through police.It had to be an oozing wound or he never would have survived..

We also must remember that the news now is that the perps only had a single Ruger semi auto handgun between them, from which the serial number had been excised.

But they had explosives and used them. No wonder police were confused a bit.Do people not think that understandable?
They had to assume he would be throwing more bombs, in a heavily populated neighborhood.Imagine what would have happenend if a bomb had been thrown and hit a residential propane tank? The police were quite right in their concern IMHO.

[chris37]

Well they are obviously lying since he shot himself in the mouth...

Unless of course they shot him in the mouth.

Now the question is why are they lying?

I think because its a little embarrassing when its plain for everyone to see that bad guys DON’T OBEY LAWS AND DON’T GET GUN PERMITS AND BLAH BLAH BLAH.

[freeandfreezing]

They sprayed the boat...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Apparently Suspect #2 huddled behind the boats engine block , which more than likely saved his life.

While it is very hard to sort out all the conflicting stories, photographs from multiple sources, including non LEO sources, indicate that there was very little fire directed at the boat. Some flash bang grenades, some low impact rounds, and maybe a small number of normal rounds.

Photos from, for example the Daily Mail in the UK show no bullet damage to the plastic cover of the engine, no exit holes on the side of the boat next to the terrorist, and very few holes in the boat at all. In closer photographs some of the marks on the boat appear to be from low impact rounds, which may not have even penetrated the fiberglass.

It is hard to explain the contradictions of the various reports, and it would be a truly embarrassing situation for the LEOs involved if they had two shootouts, but only one where anybody was shooting back. Even in the first instance, police reports described an intense battle. But how intense is a firefight against one guy with a pistol?

And what kind of training led the LEOs on the scene to need to fire hundreds of shots against one guy with pistol?

And of course I doubt anyone involved is in a hurry to explain why a massive mobilization of hundreds of LEOs, SWAT teams from miles away, and even military units couldn't find one wounded, unarmed teenager who was laying in a boat a couple of blocks away from where he was last seen.

[Oztrich Boy]

So how and when did he shoot himself in the throat?

He used an L shape pop tart. Which he then ate, so the cops didn't find it.

[Uncle Chip]

Photos from, for example the Daily Mail in the UK show no bullet damage to the plastic cover of the engine, no exit holes on the side of the boat next to the terrorist, and very few holes in the boat at all. In closer photographs some of the marks on the boat appear to be from low impact rounds, which may not have even penetrated the fiberglass.

In defense of the LEOs involved here, I suspect that the rounds fired here were intended to roust him from boat. It looks like most of the bulletholes were in the back of the boat -- not where he was huddled in the middle as the police were aware of from the thermal imaging video. I doubt that any of the wounds he suffered came from this final assault. If they had wanted to shoot him he was a sitting duck as they had an easy bead on him and could have done it with one shot.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Well they are obviously lying since he shot himself in the mouth... Unless of course they shot him in the mouth.

I think it's a prime example of journalistic malpractice by the RATagandists. I'm sure the original comment was:

"He shot his mouth off."

[Candor7]

Maybe frangible rounds were used as SWAT teams are want to do in populated areas and on aircraft.

IMHO suspect #2s life was spared because he hid behind the engine block. At the very least the inside of the boat was sprayed with shrapnel from frangible rounds and the lower legs of the supect were wounded.

See the bullet holes, which are frayed on the edges when fiberglass is penetrated, the bullets did not bounce off, they entered the hull:

I have no criticism of the police. They did not know how many perps there were altogether, and did not know if the suspect was carrying explosives ( which had been deployed just minutes before) or what firearms he had; so much so that they sent in an armoured vehicle to lift off the tarp with a remote arm.

My criticism is of the FBI and the shroud of secrecy that descended once the perp was in custody. The Keystone Cops could have done better.

Clearly federal law enforcement has become part of the ongoing Obama political campaign.The FBI management is now in the hands of Obama campaign political aparatchuks. We have become the United States of Zimbabwe.Crisis is solved not acording to due process, but according to a constantly changing Obama law enforcement policy based on who Obama thinks America's Muslim friends should be, not the laws that we have on the books, or good faith law enforcement, as required by the Constitution.In other words , Sunni sharia is now the basis of many decisions that Obama made during this incident. Just look at how Al Hraibi was treated ( the Muslim who was person of interst #1, here on a student visa who had not registered at any college,( he was supposedly in the process of transferring), up to no good in the Boston area.

This is what we can call situational political expediency used to exploit crisis for the Obama campaign. This has Janet Napolitanos a$$ in a sling, and Congress needs to impeach her, and Holder. The president should be next.

The new immigration reform bill gives admittance decisions solely into the hands of Napolitano, so that the Muslim elites and their clerics can come into America with a free pass and no security review, all in secret.

We are clearly in for a very rough ride up to Nov. 2014 and into Nov 2016.Obnma means to destroy America, and this incident gave us all a foretaste of what is to come.Next will come the created crisis where death to Americans will occur. The sequester Air Traffic Controller furloughs are just a beginning, and even now we may have aircraft crashes occur before that is over, or we may later be made vulnerable to aircraft high jackings and the incursion of enemy aircraft into our air space to bomb us.( There would be a presidential shrug and a response that Congress did not do as he had told them....."What does it matter," if a few die?)

[little jeremiah]

Thank you for the ping and excellent comment.

[kjo]

The wheels will never come off...as long as 85% of the media covers for this administration. And they do.

[TigersEye]

I have absolutely no sympathy for the little dirtbag Dzokhar but consider this ... by the ROEs in Afghanistan if our troops let loose over 200 rounds at some Afghani, terrorist or not, who turned out to be unarmed and never fired a shot at them they would all be court martialed.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” The new immigration reform bill gives admittance decisions solely into the hands of Napolitano, so that the Muslim elites and their clerics can come into America with a free pass and no security review, all in secret.”

Good post, C7.

[Candor7]

Agreed. But I doubt the ammo used in Watertown was military, it was likely frangible ammo for use within populated neighborhoods.