Posted on 04/21/2013 4:40:36 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
I have a general policy that when something*****es me off enough to want to throw things at my TV I go have a drink and refuse to write on it until having slept first.
Sometimes I wake up with a different perspective.
And sometimes not.
This is one of the "nots."
Last night, unless you live in a cave, you know that the second bombing suspect was captured alive. The first one died from a combination of bullets and being run over by his brother in a carjacked vehicle trying to escape.
Yeah, that really nice kid who we now have in custody ran over his brother.
But let's take a look at the facts, shall we?
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.
It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.
The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.
Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.
Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.
In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.
So what do the cops do? They shoot at and destroy the boat, of course, in "convincing" the bad guy to come out. Boats you see, must not have extra holes in them or they don't float very well. The cops added many extra holes and a few flash-bangs to the mix too, despite knowing that the vessel had a full tank of fuel on board and might catch on fire or explode. It didn't, fortunately, but that's small consolation to the owner who is almost-certain to see both the city refuse to pay for the damage and his insurance company refuse to cover it too (look in your policy; in general such "acts of war, declare or undeclared" are considered non-covered perils.) Never mind that the guy actually doing the warlike things (the terrorist) didn't cause the damage -- the cops did.
Was there anything the cops did right? Well, yeah, I suppose. Their fancy FLIR gear on the chopper, once pointed out where to look by the homeowner, did detect the heat of the jackass in the boat. Ok. Wow man, technology. I'm supposed to be impressed by this after the specific location of the bad guy was pointed out by the homeowner who saw him in the boat and called the police?
FAIL.
Massive, outrageous, millions of dollars in overtime and worthless hardware FAIL, to go along with a citizenry that cowered in abject fear of a couple of jackasses.
Not only did the terrorists win they learned that we're cowards. We will hide in the closet shaking like a leaf in a hurricane and let them get away for hours or even days instead of going about our business, observing what's different, reporting what doesn't make sense and arming ourselves so we can defend ourselves if, in the gravest extreme, they decide to do so something outrageous.
Massachusetts has some of the "toughest" gun laws in the nation. They are an abject failure as well. In 1998 they were passed and signed by a Republican. The state went from 1.5 million active gun licenses to under 200,000. Not only did murders double from 1998 to 2011 and robberies increase by more than 20% but the state was just targeted by two murderous jackasses who blew up a number of innocent people. The national murder and violent crime rate, on the other hand, has been falling since the early 1990s. Gee, you don't think the lack of people's ability to defend themselves might have had something to do with all that, do you? Don't expect the media to call Massachusetts or its former governors on this fact and its contribution to the blown-off legs of the victims at the Marathon. Oh, and while we're at it, let's not forget that the number of people these jackasses murdered (about a half-dozen, all-in) are eclipsed by the roughly 10x as many residents murdered annually since Massachusetts further trampled on the 2nd Amendment's recognition of fundamental human rights. Exactly how many excuses would the government of Massachusetts like to try to make for all those dead people that directly resulted from their incessant and outrageous trampling of those Constitutionally-guaranteed rights? Let me guess -- we're going to hear crickets on that account.
I'm glad the remaining bastard suspect (remember, he's a suspect until proven guilty in a court of law) has been caught and will face trial. I'm of mixed view whether or not he should be considered an ordinary criminal or an enemy combatant. We don't know enough to make that call here and now in the general public. What we do know is that the FBI knew damn well that the older brother was a problem and had been watching him and worse, they lied about it when asked by the media, denying they had contact with him until the family went public with the facts.
We have learned many things over the last week, and none of them are good. We have learned that an entire major city is full of pussies who will hide in the closet rather than sling a rifle or holster a pistol and go about their business, refusing to be cowed by a couple of murderous jackasses. We have learned that the FBI will and does lie to the public and only stops lying when called on it in the media. Just as before 9/11 when the FBI knew damn well that the towelheads were buying simulator time with thousands of dollars in cash and not wanting to know how to land and did nothing with the information to interdict the jackasses who would use that knowledge to murder 3,000 people this time around they knew there was a problem as well and tried to lie about it. This in turn means that if they come talk to you you must assume they're going to lie as well -- and maybe lie about what you tell them. This makes it downright stupid for you to help law enforcement in any way, and that makes us all far less safe if for no other reason than repeatedly-demonstrated and very-official gross negligence. Never mind that the younger brother appears to have a nice online history too which was also ignored and he was actually out partying in the local area after the bombing. We have learned that the older of these two clowns had a domestic violence history which made him eligible to be deported and we did nothing to revoke his green card, thereby effectively giving him license to commit his murders. We naturalized the younger brother despite knowing the above. We have government agents sticking their hands down the crotch of 80 year old dying Grandmas with leukemia in airports, fondling her adult diaper instead of interdicting jackasses like this. We have learned that two young men willing to die for their alleged belief that 27 virgins await them in paradise (who I suspect are both male and literal gorillas, if they exist at all) can shut down all economic activity among a city of millions and strand thousands more, which means that fewer than a hundred said jackasses could literally destroy our economy. If you think I'm divulging some "state secret" by mentioning this you're not very bright either; we televised this fact all day, on every channel, throughout Friday. We learned that thousands of cops, despite being all geared-up and full of cum, can't find one jackass that the people can and do locate in a half hour with no special training and no fancy hardware. We also learned that in a real assault the so-called "good guys" will wear digital camo in an urban environment that sticks out like a sore thumb against everything in the area. FAIL!
And finally we learned that The Constitution is used toilet paper and a fetid relic of our former (and now-shelved in favor of American Idol) imagination, and that the founders who fought just miles from where this took place are looking down on us in shame from heaven -- we no longer merit the nation they left us.
Wake up America -- if our nation can be said to still exist.
Bothers the hell out of me, but apparently it didn't bother the sheep who live in Boston. I saw the loud baaing when they caught the guy. Are the people there really that brainwashed? Or is it just the MSM is supressing anything that shows the government in an unfavorable light? The best part of all of this is that the Boston brown shirts DIDN'T cath the bomber with their gestapo tactics.
You've probably already seen this I find this extremely disturbing. I kept thinking "Juden die Hand heben und herauskommen, nehmen wir Sie in ein Arbeitslager"
Yep, I saw it. There is even a few second clip of that house search on the USSA video, just added last night.
As I look at the link in post 61, I can’t help thinking if there had been cell phone videos during the supression of the Warsaw ghetto what those videos would have looked like. I imagine somehting like this.
I was listening to a scanner throughout. The “final firefight” involved shooting blanks, not live rounds, at the boat, so no holes. They used “gas”, unspecified, but no flash-bang. The previous firefight was on the streets and did involve live rounds and homemade bombs being tossed around.
They did not know that the kid was too wounded to even move much, let alone shoot back.
Do you have specific cases where firearms were taken?
Oh and for all of the cop worshipers on FR I hope they like what they saw.
Did the police ask people for permission to search or did they say we’re coming in?
The police show up at Bogart's door very late at night. They have questions. He keeps them out in the hallway, where they don't want to talk. They want to come in. Bogart shakes his head. They can't come in. They ask him to be reasonable. He says they need a warrant. They turn to go.
And then, from inside Bogart's apartment, a woman screams "Help! Help!"
The lead cop looks at Bogart and says, "I guess we're coming in."
Bogart steps aside and says, "I guess you are."
Once upon a time, everyone knew the rules. Today, the government does what it wants.
1. Should not have requested the people to shelter in place.
2. Should not have gone door to door contacting the citizens.
Letting tens of thousands of people roam around the area of the search would have made it harder still to find Joker and needlessly put those people at heightened risk of injury or death. And not going house to house would be a gift to a fugitive on the loose. He merely has to enter a house and tie up the occupants until the police leave.
As best as I can tell, had the police done as some of the posters suggested, Joker would have gotten away. The boat owner, not wanting to "shelter in place" could just have likely left the area and would not have checked the back yard.
I do support the police if they ask people to stay inside when someone like this is on the loose. Frankly, it is something I would do anyway. And I support the police going house to house to contact the citizens. There is nothing unconstitutional about that. Absent exigent circumstances, I do not support having the police enter the houses without their permission.
If people hadn’t been told to stay inside, the punk would have been found many hours earlier and Boston wouldn’t have lost however many millions in productive work and the taxpayers would have save a day of excess spending on all the extra security. It may be hindsight but that’s what it came down to.
Oh that’s just... just... wrong.
You are far afield from the question I asked about this particular circumstances.
If officers entered homes without permission or a warrant, or exigent circumstances, then yes they did violate the 4th. It is now up to those homeowners to pursue a legal remedy.
Doing everything differently literally means not even being on the scene searching for Joker. No search, no Joker.
He was outside the perimeter the whole time. The boat owner's house was near but still outside the search area.
Answer me this did they have warrants? And what kind of judge would give warrants to search a house merely because it’s in the neighborhood that the criminal was last seen in?
Face it you are more than willing to give up Freedom for security and even though I am sure you know where that leads.
The watch list would have been reasonable. But, that was out of the hands of the police on the scene in the search for Joker.
“To some of the posters here, just going door to door and asking the citizens if they were ok violated their 4th Amendment rights”
Nonsense, nobody has said that.
What they have said is restricting peoples right to move freely was not only ineffective but was unconstitutional.
Going house to house and SEARCHING the homes was also unconstitutional.
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