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Copper Is Looking Ugly Tonight
TBI ^ | 4-17-2013 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 04/17/2013 8:12:54 PM PDT by blam

Copper Is Looking Ugly Tonight

Joe Weisenthal
April 17, 2013, 9:05 PM

One of the big ongoing stories is the selloff in commodities.

Gold is the most notable loser, but industrial ones like oil and copper are taking a beating too.

Copper fell all day, and continues to be weak into the evening.

From FinViz:

FinViz

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commodities; copper; economy; goldminicrash; investing; minigoldcrash
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To: Starboard; Cold Heat
WAKE UP! (Dr Copper - Congress Re-approves Insider Trading For Themselves)
21 posted on 04/17/2013 8:36:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

It’s got a long way to go!!

I was trading copper futures in the 70s @ .36 cents/pound!

The break even point to melt down pennies was .43 cents per pound.


22 posted on 04/17/2013 8:43:41 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: KoRn; Grampa Dave; tubebender; NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; calif_reaganite; BOBTHENAILER; ...

Good! Maybe the punks and creeple people that keep digging up the wiring for street lights, etc. will quit using the money for their drug habits. Markets have a strange way of resolving excesses over time... I’m enjoying watching oil dive too, but silver should only climb into the heavens as I still own a bunch of sterling collectables from our silver anniversary 25 years ago, right?


23 posted on 04/17/2013 8:47:57 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

They had a massive land slide that filled the bottom of the mine.

If that happened in the oil industry we would all be paying $10 a gallon tomorrow.


24 posted on 04/17/2013 8:54:10 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Cold Heat

Because virtually every consumer product that you use and consume, outside of food, fuel and services, is manufactured in china. China IS our manufacturing base, and if they go down, we go down with them.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 8:59:07 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: pennyfarmer

I think you’re exaggerating...the oil market is not that tight to produce a 250% overnight ramp. The only thing that would be equivalent would be a full-scale Mideast war that took all Arabian and Iranian oil off the market. Even that might not produce that effect. Might produce $6 gas.

The Kennecott collapse is NOT being perceived as any big deal because there is apparently lots in the pipeline (Kennecott said this) and lots in warehouses. Plus China is now perceived to be not buying any more so nobody is trying to frontrun their touted demand. In addition, there are hints of liquidity issues which are VERY dangerous for the stock market and as usual, the futures markets are dominating the physical markets. When producers busy extracting copper see this, they sell production forward even more than usual, exacerbating the move by imposing big short interest into the mkts. There is nothing to do but let it run its course. It looks like it will break $3 to me.


26 posted on 04/17/2013 9:03:19 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: factoryrat
I try not to buy the stuff.....but you can't avoid it if you want a smart phone.....TV...or small appliance...

But the other stuff I keep a close eye on. I buy a lot of imports, and you have to, but if there is a choice, I will buy a Pakistani import before I buy a Chinese one. Or confine it to Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan. The Chinese have ripped me off in the markets with fraudulent stocks, nearly caused my house to burn down with a exploding laptop and their legal system is totally ignoring these things...plus the Chinese Nationals refuse to honor our courts...

So I ignore them...

27 posted on 04/17/2013 9:12:29 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: entropy12

Have you shopped for groceries lately?”

Went tonight. 4-5% more than I spent three weeks ago for the same things. Bananas which are always .49/lb were .59/lb tonight so didn’t buy any. I usually am able to get a lot of coupons off the net. Not as many available the last couple of weeks or are for brands that I no longer buy - like General Mills products.

Check-out clerk said regular customers are coming in less frequently and not buying as much when they come in. Only so much to go around even though the economy in our part of Texas is still some okay.


28 posted on 04/17/2013 9:16:21 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Cold Heat

I think all countries have too much debt, including China.

China’s consumers are still flush with savings, but its banks and local Governments are a mess, yet they are protected from speculators, runs and wild market swings. Here in the USA, it seems everyone is deep in debt - consumers, local Gov’ts, and the Federal Gov’t.

I understand China buys something like 60% of copper production now, so if their economy is slowing, copper demand should tell us.


29 posted on 04/17/2013 9:29:28 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: factoryrat

Not true. It will be a short term problem. Other Asian countries are dying to take away some of China’s manufacturing. Labor is even cheaper in India, Bangladesh, Mynamar, Cambodia, etc.


30 posted on 04/17/2013 9:47:55 PM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: pennyfarmer

No big deal, slides have happened on that fault, many times before.

This from my business partner, who was born in Bingham Canyon. Bingham Canyon no longer exists it was filled with over burden.


31 posted on 04/17/2013 9:49:29 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: Grams A; All

I guess there’s more than one way to tackle the obesity epidemic. ;-(


32 posted on 04/17/2013 9:52:15 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: razorback-bert

The canyon where the town was is indeed filled in with overburden. They began that a couple of years ago when copper was through the roof and they decided to go deeper. The mine is still very active.


33 posted on 04/17/2013 10:06:00 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Blue Highway

A couple weeks ago I got 1,000rds of .22lr for around $140(yes, expensive I know, but half of it was target match ammo).

I was able to land it by using this site:

http://www.gunbot.net

I’ve gotten some sweet deals on AR mags by using that site as well. I also found the site to be a little fun, and fairly addictive as well. You will find yourself checking in on the mag and ammo markets constantly. LOL


34 posted on 04/17/2013 10:19:22 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: pennyfarmer

More like 30 years ago, they started filling the Canyon.
The mine is still producing, his mother works as a tour guide there.


35 posted on 04/17/2013 10:27:15 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: blam

Copper Is Looking Ugly Tonight

Well. tell him to just pull his cap down low and stick to the shadows while on his patrol and no one will notice.


36 posted on 04/17/2013 10:33:45 PM PDT by ShasheMac
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To: SierraWasp

A school a few miles north had most of their new sports field wiring taken in December. Going to cost 10 to 15K to replace it...


37 posted on 04/17/2013 10:42:25 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: KoRn

I was checking in on stuff like that on slickguns.com but gave up eventually as it became a barren wasteland.


38 posted on 04/17/2013 11:11:26 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: tubebender

Hey, tubular bender man! That’s a pretty cool tagline you have there!!! I trust you’re still livin high on the hog off the fat of the land and in fine fettle, right?


39 posted on 04/17/2013 11:28:01 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: dalereed

>The break even point to melt down pennies was .43 cents per pound.

More like $1.43/pound and only the pre-1982 kind.
They are 98% zinc with a copper wash since mid-1982.


40 posted on 04/18/2013 12:02:40 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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