Posted on 04/07/2013 8:00:57 PM PDT by Nachum
In May 1943, President Franklin Roosevelt met with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill at the White House. It was 17 months after Pearl Harbor and a little more than a year before D-Day. The two Allied leaders reviewed the war effort to date and exchanged thoughts on their plans for the postwar era. At one point in the discussion, FDR offered what he called "the best way to settle the Jewish question."
Vice President Henry Wallace, who noted the conversation in his diary, said Roosevelt spoke approvingly of a plan (recommended by geographer and Johns Hopkins University President Isaiah Bowman) "to spread the Jews thin all over the world." The diary entry adds: "The president said he had tried this out in [Meriwether] County, Georgia [where Roosevelt lived in the 1920s] and at Hyde Park on the basis of adding four or five Jewish families at each place. He claimed that the local population would have no objection if there were no more than that."
Roosevelt's "best way" remark is condescending and distasteful, and coming from anyone else it would probably be regarded as anti-Semitism. But more than that, FDR's support for "spreading the Jews thin" may hold the key to understanding a subject that has been at the center of controversy for decades: the American government's tepid response to the Holocaust.
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Heck, even Enver Hoxha, from the poorest Commie nation of all, Albania, wore custom French suits.
But they had nothing to their names. Hitler's lieutenants had titles to vast estates and large amounts of loot liberated during their grand European tour.
And the Soviets did their share of looting after the war and sent tons of stuff from Germany and Poland back to Mother Russia, to be divvied out to the high Party Officials.
We need a new coin to represent $0.10 (even as the Bernank diminishes it).
But the moment they retired or were purged, they lost their access to those items. Nazi officials owned these things. Soviet officials merely had use of them until they no longer held office.
I'd say the difference is between having your own car vs driving the company car.
” What exactly was the response susposed to be beyond that...”
Did you read the article? The “tepid” part is reserved for not allowing Jewish immigration up to the quota numbers.
Nothing like picking at seventy year old scabs to stimulate a lively thread. War is hell. Should we have let that boat in? Should we have obliterated Dresden? Should we have interred the japanese? We have the luxury of judging it all in the rear-view mirror.
another non-reader. There was a quota for Jewish immigration. Roosevelt did not make any efforts to fill it. Au contraire he put obstacles in the way of filling it.
“How many genocide victims of a different religion has Israel - present or historical - taken in? “
Wrong question. Vis-a-vis the US, different religion than what? Since the US is not a religiously based country, that point makes no sense. We are founded on Judeo-Christian values but there is no state religion.
And actually Israel has taken in many Russian and Ethiopians who they do not believe are Jewish. They have also provided refuge to Sudanese fleeing across the Egyptian border.
But the real point is they have rescued millions of refugees.
Doubt it. Given FDR's views on how society should be organized, that would have been a reason to import as many as possible.
But the thing was, FDR was not that smart. His milieu was anti-Semitic, and he acted on his evil instinct, understanding that his execrable base might have reacted negatively to such a move towards diversity (was that word even coined yet?).
That’s a canard - it wasn’t about ethnic cleansing. The Dominican Republic suffered under Haitian oppression for decades, there were border issues.
you really are a piece of work.
“British leaders had no obligation to let large numbers of Jewish or other refugees into their territory..”
Yes, they did have an obligation upon which they reneged. It was called the Palestinian Mandate, as you seem to know. What does that mean? It was a document directing the British to establish a Jewish State.
Stop distorting history to suit your agenda.
Not quite so. They still accumulated vast amount of wealth that they kept frothier families even after retirement. Even the ones that were purged kept the so called “personal” property they had since under communism private property was abolished supposedly. We used to call them the “red aristocracy”. But you can believe the BS that somehow the communists were better than the Nazis. Both ran the countries they took over like their personal fiefdoms and the talk about the “working lass” is the same drivel you hear from the democrats today about the poor, the women, the children, etc. same song, different verse.
Spell check strikes again. Should read working class
We DIDN’T TRY most of the war criminals that were left. Every one of the SS soldiers involved in the Malmedy Massacre eventually went free with the heaviest sentence about 10 years for their leader, Siep Detrich (Blowtorch Division).
See Richard Gallagher’s book “Massacre at Malmedy” for the details. My friend was one of Patton’s intelligence officers who interrogated the Malmedy murderers, for which he was wrongly and irresponsibly harassed by Sen. Joe McCarthy (who bought the German-American Bundists propaganda lies about the interrogations).
Many other SS and Gestapo agents escaped any justice and even lived openly in Germany. Some even became cabinet ministers in the Communist East German government (SS Sturmfurher Ernest Grossmann, Deputy Commandant of Sachsenhausen slave labor/concentration camp), among others). The Russians wouldn’t give them up and we stopped trying to get them despite the massive evidence against them for war crimes.
The British were a little better, esp. killing Japanese war criminals in the Malaysia/Singapore theater for their atrocities. We did little to kill Japanese war criminals in the Phillipines, which was a national disgrace and a betrayal of the one million Filipinos who were slaughtered (Over 30,000 died on the Bataan Death March and in the camps. We lost about 10,000 and none of them were properly avenged).
We could have smashed the concentration camps, bombing their SS headquarters, blowing down fences and guard towers, destroying rail lines, etc. We didn’t, and my relatived died because of it (Belzec and Auschwitz).
A little more knowledge about history would help in discussing this issue.
By the way, another friend was a US military judge in post-war Germany and he did sentence convicted war criminals, spies, etc. to the max. Unfortunately those above on the Nuremburg Tribunal lost sight of how many war criminals there were and those only prosecuted a few at the top.
By the way, among my friends was one of the heads of the Polish Free Army; a young teenager from the Warsaw ghetto; another young teenager who worked with the Partisans in Yugoslavia; another man who once dealt with Eichmann regarding another matter (he was the Malmedy investigator later); B-25 pilots, and RAF pilots. Even knew a British commando who was Jewish. He and some friends did a little SS and Gestapo hunting at the end of war and beyond. They knew how to bring justice to the Nazi scum and did.
America never really knew how to clean out the Nazi house after the war. The Russians, on the other hand, executed them by the thousands, while recruiting some of the SS and Gestapo for the KGB. At least they killed some of the bastards.
WW2 was a very complicated war and they are still finding new information about Japanese war crimes and more Nazi killing fields.
My personal position would have been (had I been old enough to have been in WW2) would have been to kill all SS and Gestapo found. They deserved every bullet we could have put into them. The same for the Japanese. You don’t let feral animals escape.
Today this policy applies to (non-Jewish) white people. We call it affirmative action.
According to Harvard's website, 44% of students in the Class of 2016 are "minorities." Jewish percentage not listed, of course, but other sources say "over 30%," whatever that means. Rather wildly over-represented given their 1.7% of US population. Though both of these numbers depend on how you define the group in question.
This leaves <26% available for non-Jewish white people, even though they make up 72% of the population. (Less than that in the relevant age group, of course.)
Mossad was formed on December 13, 1949. Roosevelt dies in April 12, 1945. You do sound like a conspiracy nut.
The article is anachronistic. It assumes that actions taken before the war started or before the US got into the war should have been based on the knowledge that Hitler was going to launch a full-out attempt to kill all the Jews.
The problem here is that even the more or less “official” story of the Holocaust doesn’t have this becoming official German policy till January of 1942, when the Bad Wiessee conference was held.
Prior to this, as is obvious in the minutes of the meeting, German policy was to kick the Jews out of Europe. They were of course horrifically brutal in their persecution prior to this data and concentration camps had a huge death rate.
But the true extermination camps we think of when the term “Holocaust” is used were a fairly late development, decided on when the option of expulsion became impossible due to the War, and when massive numbers of additional Jews were brought into the Reich by its eastern expansion. The Nazi policy was always one of making Europe, not the world, Jew-free.
The true extent of the German extermination effort was not widely known or believed outside Germany till the very end of the war. Which explains much about why a lot of Americans and others thought the Jews were “whining.”
See: SS St. Louis.
In any event, Israel, the new nation, was recognized quite swiftly by FDR's successor, Harry the Bomb Dropper with a D after his name.
At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed a new State of Israel. On that same date, the United States, in the person of President Truman, recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the Jewish state (de jure recognition was extended on January 31, 1949).
The haberdasher was cut from a superior bolt of cloth, as compared to his predecessor.
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