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Why We Are Losing Debate Over Same-Sex Marriage
Townhall.com ^ | March 29, 2013 | Mona Charen

Posted on 03/29/2013 12:09:41 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: American in Israel

There is no conservative push-back. Republicans, who allegedly represent conservatism are either evolving on the issue (Murkowski) or simply keeping their moouth shut. Conservatives are not represented in this public issue. The only thing necessary or evil to prevail is for good men and women to do nothing. That is where we are.


61 posted on 03/29/2013 6:44:45 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (')
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To: Kaslin

If any - ANY - public figures stood up and TOLD THE TRUTH about the “gay” life AND the homosexual agenda we would NOT BE LOSING. (If we are, that’s not for sure.)

Only because of self serving, gutless coward, conscience-less weasel-like politicians with no moral compasses are we supposedly losing. They can’t say “boo” about the homo agenda or the terrible dangers of the homosexual life. They lose because they gave up already.


62 posted on 03/29/2013 8:55:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: betty boop; Kaslin; xzins
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

What gay activists really want is to change the definition of the word "marriage."

Precisely so. There is nothing to prevent the legislative bodies from permitting tax benefits, visitation rights and the like to domestic partners, etc. Obviously, the gay activists want to change the meaning of the word "marriage" so they can deceive themselves into thinking same sex unions are morally equivalent to marriage.

I've absolutely had it with people controlling the dictionary in an attempt to change the faith and morals of a whole culture!

In Germany - Jews, Gypsies and the like were called untermenschen meaning under-men or less-than men. So the people who were executing them to the tune of 6 million were not killing men at all, in their minds they were merely exterminating untermenschen. They did not feel morally wrong until the world finally made them see it as murder.

And over the last half century, the media and body politic have oh so carefully and deceitfully referred to the unborn as fetus. And so again, the 30 some odd million women who terminated their pregnancies were not killing people at all, in their minds they were merely removing feti. Many or most still do not realize the moral implication of what they have done.

The politically correct no longer use the term untermensch so that is a non-issue but I personally refuse to use the word fetus to describe an unborn child - and no matter what a State law may dictate - or the Supreme Court may rule - I will not refer to a same sex union as a marriage thereby implying any moral equivalency.

63 posted on 03/29/2013 9:01:42 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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I used to like to read Mona Charon, more than 20 years ago. Anyone who uses the word "gays" to describe homosexuals is part of the reason "we" have "lost". She says:

Gays and lesbians are not responsible for the mess that our culture has made of family life. But perhaps they can understand that resisting its further redefinition is not bigotry but prudence.

WRONG! THEY DEFINITELY ARE PART OF THE REASON OUR CULTURE AND SOCIETY ARE IN THE CESSPOOL! And trying to get 2% of the population - the mentally ill sex pervert part - to change their agenda - is stupid and a waste of time. Charon has it all, all wrong. They are much to blame, and the rest of the blame falls on cowardly spokespeople, commentators such as herself, and politicians and judges who have no moral principles.

And the rest of us, who were more or less silent. And that is the reason I don't shut up. Even if my feeble efforts on FR and here and there have no effect, at least I've done what I can do.

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64 posted on 03/29/2013 9:01:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Kaslin
Beyond all of those factors, though, the most potent argument in the SSM quiver is the race analogy.

And that! If Charon thinks that is a winning argument, she's either got dementia or has become an alcoholic. RACE IS IMMUTABLE! SODOMY IS A BEHAVIOR! There are countless numbers of former homosexuals. There has never been a former black person in the history of the world. If people can't counter that argument with three sentences they're either actually a liberal or have play doh for brains. Now I'm practically sick with anger.

65 posted on 03/29/2013 9:04:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Mona Charen is an idiot. My hatred for professional politicioans and op-ed writers who are supposedly “conservative” is about to cause physical illness. To think I used to read her columns when I got that weekly thing in the mail - was it called the Conservative Chronicle?

Maybe late 80s or so.


66 posted on 03/29/2013 9:07:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Until recently,there was a proper word for gays.Deviates.


67 posted on 03/29/2013 9:08:31 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

Pederasts. Scientific term.


68 posted on 03/29/2013 9:09:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Having one in the White House only emboldens them.
69 posted on 03/29/2013 9:14:38 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Alberta's Child

It has nothing at all to do with the tiny minority of homosexuals who actually take advantage of same sex marriage where legal.

I can’t believe you’ve read nothing about such things as:

Homsexuals adopting and foster parenting children and the horrible results and “gay marriage” will increase this

Children being increasingly taught in schools that “gay is good” because of same sex marriage being legal, such as in Massachusetts

Businessness being forced to accomdate “gay weddings” etc or forced out of business

And on and on and on.


70 posted on 03/29/2013 9:28:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

It’s too bad the SCOTUS can’t read everything we have on the subject here at FR. I’d love to present something to the SCOTUS... as if that would ever happen.


71 posted on 03/29/2013 10:33:40 PM PDT by scripter
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From what (little, I’ve been very busy) I’ve read about the arguments presented at the SCOTUS, they were very weak arguments. Everyone is too chicken**** to tell the truth.

I’m afraid it’s going to have to get fixed the hard way.

(Greetings!!!!!!)


72 posted on 03/29/2013 10:58:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Kaslin
We have kicked GOD, especially JESUS, out of our once fine country, so now ANYTHING GOES......and after Gay "marriage" there will be polygamy, incestuous "marriages", NAMBLA will be a respected org., and beastiality is right around the corner!!

Welcome to LIBERAL LAND!!

73 posted on 03/30/2013 4:14:59 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: little jeremiah

The short answer is deviance has been marketed by Hollywood. From there, it was picked up and used in our schools, and much of the funding came from homosexuals that have hired an army of lawyers to make it all happen. Civilization is simply going to regress a few thousand years.


74 posted on 03/30/2013 4:15:45 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: little jeremiah
There has never been a former black person in the history of the world.

Not true. Look



75 posted on 03/30/2013 5:28:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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76 posted on 03/30/2013 5:32:44 AM PDT by narses
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To: Kaslin

The transition is chemical......

Hydroquinone baths did the deed. (and dissolved the nose)

Massive quantities of US manufactured hydroquinone are imported into Africa by French cosmetics manufacturers for inclusion in various lightening creams.


77 posted on 03/30/2013 5:45:55 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: little jeremiah
I've read it all. There's no question that we're living in a pagan, post-Christian age in this country.

If you think you're ever going to address these things with arguments and briefs before the U.S. Supreme Court, just think of this nation's governing bodies -- including the U.S. Supreme Court -- as diabolical tools of Satan. It does change your perspective of things, doesn't it?

How comical (and ironic) is it that the Ayatollah Khomenei, of all people, had this country pegged correctly decades ago?

78 posted on 03/30/2013 6:18:00 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Alberta's Child

So long as Neo Europa including New York and all that is north and east remain in the Republic, there will be no America

Neo Europa must be purged


79 posted on 03/30/2013 6:20:36 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Ann Archy

Rejection of “traditional” marriage is a rejection of God, because it is God who ordained/ordains marriage. Period. Marriage is not a “civil” institution, it is God’s plan for men and women. Period. It is the means by which a man and a woman can enter into a special spiritual union for the purposes of fellowship and intimacy and procreation and that ultimately pictures for the believer God’s love (in Christ) for the church (read Ephesians 5). To bring anything else into the conversation concerning the Godly institution of marriage is to misdirect the discussion. Marriage is from God. It is part of God’s ordained plan for men and women. It pictures Christ and the church.

That this debate is going on now serves to render before a desperately wicked/hopelessly fallen world that once more Man will not have “this man” to rule over him. Given marriage’s vital role in forming a sensible foundation to human society, can it be very long before Christ’s return? When man has utterly given himself over to such debauchery (Romans 1), where no trace of being made in God’s image remains, can it be long before He who comes will come and will [no longer] tarry?

The “debate” about marriage is but one piece of the connection to God, one of the cords of His love, that sinful man must snip and cut to be free from God’s egregious reign. And, so, in this Resurrection season, our “highest court in the land” has gathered to hear the new charges against God and God’s Son. They have assembled in their robes and arrogance to set before us their puny renderings of juris prudence; to issue from on high their pronouncements about God, all shrouded in the wisdom of this age (which is foolishness to God). And the mob crowds around with signs, with chants, to billow and howl its demands to be freed from under God’s will and desire for their lives; to demand, instead, a murderer once more. “And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so [Christ] will not open His mouth.” And in all lowliness and humility the Savior of the world will once more take up His cross and bear it away outside the camp to be cast out, to be scourged, to be mocked, and to be put to death.

And while He lay in the tomb silent, waiting, we, like the disciples of old wonder in our disillusionment, “How could these things be?” or “... we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.” These are the days of discouragement. These are the days of darkness. They have cast Him out. They have done away with Him...for a short season. And we can become discouraged in this. For we, too, can fix our eyes upon this world, not realizing Christ has ever been talking about the one to come. A kingdom where there will be a true wedding indeed, between a Man and a Woman, a King and His Bride, and they shall be united forever.


80 posted on 03/30/2013 6:26:56 AM PDT by MarDav
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