Posted on 03/28/2013 2:54:01 PM PDT by drewh
Conservative talk show how Rush Limbaugh said Thursday on his radio show that conservatives have lost the gay marriage debate and that it is now “inevitable.”
“This issue is lost,” he said. “I don’t care what the Supreme Court does. This is inevitable. And it’s inevitable because we lost the language on this.” Limbaugh added that conservatives lost the debate because they allowed the term “marriage” to be “bastardized.”
“As far as I’m concerned, once we started talking about gay marriage, traditional marriage, opposite-sex marriage, same-sex marriage, hetero marriage, we lost,” Limbaugh said. “It was over.”
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Led by, none other than the gay POTUS. He’s good at leading when it comes to things destructive to our founding principles. As far as ‘constructive’, he’s not interested. Destruction is the mission.
We will never again be the kind of country we once were, "moral" but with religion treated subjectively. When the forces of evil are finally defeated it will be by Theocracy, and religious truth will be universally recognized as objective as any other truth.
Conservatives lament the "rights" the Left has produced in the past few decades, but the Founding Fathers gave us the non-existent "right" to practice idolatry. To condemn lesser sins while treating idolatry as unimportant illustrates an extremely skewed view of things.
IMHO Steve Deace is an excellent alternative.
I believe you are right—we lost the argument when we lost the Morals of the nation—But only a few “Gays” will ever wed. Next battle Polygamy (at least it’s in the Bible) and that will be next for the Progressives and their Arab buddies. But, these days will not last forever—each Progressive step takes us to a new America -— a Conservative one. Give em enough rope and...
Vigilantes in Mexico have taken over a corrupt town in Mexico because they’ve had enough of the ruin. And in America, Rush Limbaugh says we lost and tucks tail. It doesn’t have to be that way.
“By allowing decades of Marxist brainwashing to occur in our public schools,”
Agree.
Nothing more to say.
We are done.
The way marriage could be won back is for the Orthodox religions to band together with any conservative Protestant faiths, to reassert that marriage is “solely” a religious sacrament, and that they will not recognize secular marriage.
This means that they only recognize sacramental marriages that each other conduct. Then different faiths may add to the requirements, but may not subtract from them.
This means that any of their particular faith who are married in other ways must be remarried in their faith, if their faith’s rules allow it.
As a group, these religions also must agree to a definition of divorce, and that secular divorce is not recognized, either.
To do this does take some intestinal fortitude on their part, but the alternative is what is being seen in Canada right now, where clergy are forbidden to say things written in the Bible, for fear of being prosecuted.
So it’s a simple choice. Stand up for what you believe in, or be swept away by a secular agenda that seeks to destroy you. Doing nothing is not an option.
If this is “lost,” then the country is lost.
Let it burn. No country left worth lifting a finger for anymore. Just a pathetic sewer of a country.
And that’s just it.
They’re far better at messaging. Look at that list you posted, and you can see a logical progression. From a marketing point-of-view, it’s brilliant.
...compared to Rush Limbaugh?
Orthodox Christian definition of divorce: Matt 19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.
It's that simple.
My mom remembered him from back in the day. She said you wouldn't know it by looking at him, but he was a talented musician once and, evidently, a very handsome young man.
Apparently, he caught syphilis and it ran its course. She let that sink in. Mom was almost a generation older than my friend’s parents. Medicine was different then, both in her day before and during “The War” and ours sitting in that 1973 GM car.
Growing up in small towns and seeing real life examples of the various consequences of years earlier behavior, whether missing fingers lost to a saw or some misbehaving farm equipment or a discombobulated brain and nervous system from not wearing a lead-lined prophylactics, or whatever it might have been, seeing them around me was helpful negative feedback for "getting my mind right" and avoiding similar consequences.
Things are different now...or so they seem. We've removed some of the negative feedback. Medicine has made acceptable and convenient what was once taboo and often deadly. I remember when AIDS first appeared and famous people began dying ugly deaths from this new mysterious illness.
I remember being surprised when I would hear that so and so was "gay", only that's not the word most people used. Whether famous people or the not so famous, all died slow, very scary ugly deaths.
Once we figured out that straight people could get it, and not just from a transfusion, real fear set in, and all around, briefly.
I remembered the occasional WWII VD posters when I was growing up. I remembered how things were prior to our guinea pigging those first vaccines against the deadly diseases once common to childhood. There was talk about what to do with this new epidemic. Would we lock "them" up and isolate? What if their blood got on you? If they sneezed on you? We fear what we don’t understand, especially if it can kill us.
Medicine has removed the danger and with time, we’ve lost the fear, discarded the stigmas and moved forward, passing through acceptance, all the way to open armed embrace.
Interesting how far we've come down a once forbidden road, and so fast!
And, interesting that a deadly disease, something that once would have motivated an entirely different set and subsets of behaviors, is now, instead, an unnoticed stepping stone on that road, along the way to that embrace…and beyond.
But, beyond…to what? On this road we’ve been taken, what lies ahead? Is this a crossroads or an ambush?
This is a test.
There’s not much to disagree with him on this. The issue is lost. Apart from whatever the court does or doesn’t do... In the space of about a decade the fickle nature of “public opinion” has done a 180. As an older generation dies off and a fully-indoctrinated younger generation takes over, it is a fait accompli.
It’s not a good thing. But it’s a done thing.
good video (what I saw...no time for the whole thing)
Exactly, and how does it frame our side? This is the kind of messaging they have been hammering and hammering and hammering. I haven’t seen a single good example of a message like this come from our side.
We can’t take for granted that because something is right, that the message will naturally be the better one.
We have to start thinking like Democrats in how we market our message. They don’t just assume that because they believe their message is right, people will believe it. Instead, they look for any and every opportunity to manipulate the message and the audience to their way of thinking.
We don’t have to sacrifice our values but we have to change our approach.
One of big problems is that conservatives can be good at articulating what they believe but not why they believe it. And at some level conservatives are going to have to ask what exactly is it being defended and why? Also conservatives have to ask some basic philosophical questions about modernity. Some difficult ones like why equality is such an overriding goal of modernity? Is there a good argument against equality?
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