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‘Gay Marriage’ and Religious Freedom Are Not Compatible
RedState ^ | March 26th, 2013 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 03/26/2013 9:27:26 PM PDT by Bratch

The kids these days on the right are full of a great libertarian notion that “hey, let’s just get the government out of marriage.”

“Rock on,” say other libertarians.

They then all smugly self-congratulate themselves, pat themselves on the back, and move on to other issues.

What they ignore is that the left will never take marriage out of the hands of the government. The left cannot. But it goes beyond that. The left cannot take marriage out of government because for so long it has been government through which marriages were legitimized to the public and the left must also use government to silence those, particularly the religious, who refuse to play along.

Let’s ignore, for the sake of this post, that the Democracy of the Dead has settled for us that in society marriage should be between a man and woman as the best way to propagate the species.

The left has done an admirable job in secular society making the case that gay marriage merely allows a class of people to be happy and have what everyone else has.

The front on which the gay rights movement has failed is the religious and, in particular in the United States, the Christian front.

From Matthew 19:4-6:

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

The Christian Left would prefer to view Matthew 19 as a passage on divorce, which is discussed. But they willfully ignore Christ’s definition of what a marriage is — one man and one woman united to become one.

As much as many would ignore, obfuscate, or try to confuse the beginning of Matthew 19, Christ makes it very clear. The Creator made a male and a female and the two become one. That is marriage in Christianity, despite what a bunch of progressive Christians who have no use for the Bible would have the world believe.

Therein lies the problem for the gay rights movement.

As long as there are still Christians who actually follow Christ and uphold his word, a vast amount of people around the world — never mind Islam — will never ever see gay marriage as anything other than a legal encroachment of God’s intent.

So those Christians must be silenced. The left exerted a great deal of energy to convince everyone that the gay lifestyle is an alternative form of normal. It then has exerted a great deal of energy convincing people that because the gay lifestyle is just another variation of normal, gay marriage must be normalized.

Meanwhile, those Christians are out there saying it is not normal and are refusing to accept it as normal because of silly God dared to say marriage is a union between a man and woman.

Any Christian who refuses to recognize that man wants to upend God’s order will have to be driven from the national conversation. They will be labeled bigots and ultimately criminals.

Already we have seen florists, bakers, and photographers suffer because they have refused to go along with the cultural shift toward gay marriage. There will be more.

Once the world decides that real marriage is something other than natural or Godly, those who would point it out must be silenced and, if not, punished. The state must be used to do this. Consequently, the libertarian pipe dream of getting government out of marriage can never ever be possible.

Within a year or two we will see Christian schools attacked for refusing to admit students whose parents are gay. We will see churches suffer the loss of their tax exempt status for refusing to hold gay weddings. We will see private businesses shut down because they refuse to treat as legitimate that which perverts God’s own established plan. In some places this is already happening.

Christians should, starting yesterday, work on a new front. While we should not stop the fight to preserve marriage, and we may be willing to compromise on civil unions, we must start fighting now for protections for religious objectors to gay marriage.

Churches, businesses, and individuals who refuse to accept gay marriage as a legitimate institution must be protected as best we can. Those protections will eventually crumble as the secular world increasingly fights the world of God, but we should institute those protections now and pray they last as long as possible.

The left cannot allow Christians to continue to preach the full gospel. We already see this in, of all places, Canada. Gay marriage is incompatible with a religion that preaches that the unrepentant are condemned, even of a sin the world has decided is not one. The religious freedom will eventually be ended through the judiciary. We should work to extend that freedom as long as we can.

Now many of you have read through this and you are shaking your head in denial. “No way this is possible,” you say. But then just a decade ago no one seriously considered gay marriage as possible. And we are already seeing signs we’re headed in this direction. It’s coming. Get ready.

Libertarians will have to decide which they value more — the ability of a single digit percentage of Americans to get married or the first amendment. The two are not compatible.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: church; gays; homosexualagenda; libertarians; marriage; ssm
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. - Matthew 19:6b KJV
1 posted on 03/26/2013 9:27:26 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Libertarians, don’t matter, you see. The foundation of this nation was build with a moral clarity and a respect to Almighty God. We remove God and a stable form of family, we are done. And they will have only chaos worse than before. I will trust our forefathers more over than the views of a party which are on the wrong side of this issue.


2 posted on 03/26/2013 9:32:13 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Bratch

“While we should not stop the fight to preserve marriage, and we may be willing to compromise on civil unions”

Surrender! Surrender!


3 posted on 03/26/2013 9:35:06 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Bratch

How long until the words “Husband”, “Wife”, “Bride”, and “Groom” become dropped as being homophobic?


4 posted on 03/26/2013 9:37:01 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (And winter is coming.)
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To: Bratch
Libertarians will have to decide which they value more — the ability of a single digit percentage of Americans to get married or the first amendment.

He's giving away the store right here, by implying that it is within the power of government to grant such an ability. Roberts did better, as per Rush's remarks on the subject.

5 posted on 03/26/2013 9:43:26 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Bratch

We should never have gotten government involved in marriage in the first place as it is a covenant between a man, a woman and God. Why do we need a marriage license to somehow make a marriage valid? I would advise young Christians to leave the government out of their business and leave it between themselves and their Creator.


6 posted on 03/26/2013 9:44:35 PM PDT by wolfman
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To: Bratch

Religious Freedom is not a civil right.

Neither is the first and 2nd amendments.

Only sexual recreation is a civil right.


7 posted on 03/26/2013 9:50:50 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Washington state already has a new form that lists “bride”, “groom”, and “spouse”.


8 posted on 03/26/2013 10:08:19 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: wolfman

The government is involved because people want official recognition of their marriage and its protection. As the apostle said, ‘Let marriage be honorable among all’.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 10:32:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Bratch
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. - Matthew 19:6b KJV

Amen! Some pro-gay marriage people like to point to the First Amendment's Establishment clause to try to disallow any "religious" argument against their cause. Our forefathers wrote that clause never imagining the country made up of God-fearing Christians would ever deny the very Creator that granted the rights they enumerated in the founding documents. It was John Q. Adams who said:

[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

We are witnessing the decline of our great Republic because society is abandoning God. They MUST do so to be able to ignore His laws and live according to what is right in their own eyes. Unless there is a united repentance, turning from evil, prayer and seeking God's face, there will be no forgiveness or healing. This great country, nourished by the blood of patriots, will slowly pass away.

10 posted on 03/26/2013 10:51:39 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Mike Darancette

The Brave New World has people vomiting when they hear the evil word “mother”. They put “partner” on most documents and eliminated the word “wife” and husband years ago-—to spouse——so they could then insert homosexuals.

This happened decades ago-—you haven’t seen “wife” and Husband in kids books for decades-—Marxists control language so they can control thought.
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism—to control what is said-—like with “hate speech laws” so they could flip Good and Evil in children.

Marxism has to destroy the Natural family-—eliminates the concept of mother and father and the State owns the babies-—Lenin invented the Day Care and forced women into the work force away from their children so their ideology wouldn’t contaminate them. The State indoctrinates them.

Radical egalitarian means no one is different-—no uniqueness—not even a sexual identity. It is dehumanizing-—intrinsically evil and The Big Lie.

The Catholic Church always stated before Vatican Ii infiltration-—that there is nothing so dehumanizing as Marxism-—equality-—strips all qualities that makes people unique and reduces them to cogs in a wheel. A collective-—individuality doesn’t matter-—so the state can eliminate the useless eaters.


11 posted on 03/26/2013 11:19:19 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: count-your-change

The best “official recognition” of a marriage is from God and his redeemed, not our utterly corrupt and evil government and morally declining populace. Marriage is a holy and supernatural institutiion that predates the formation of any human government. Homosexuals can never change that. What they seek is to have same sex “marriage” to have the same moral standing as actual marriage. Of course this is impossible in God’s terms. Why even give them anything to attack legally?


12 posted on 03/26/2013 11:48:44 PM PDT by wolfman
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To: wolfman

“Why even give them anything to attack legally?”

That’s a question best put to those who wish to let the government inform the marriage contract instead of the covenant makers informing the government of their marriage.


13 posted on 03/27/2013 12:42:30 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: NoLibZone

I fear they will FORCE churches to marry gay folks, but they will chicken out forcing mosques to do the same....


14 posted on 03/27/2013 1:44:07 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Bratch
‘Gay Marriage’ and Religious Freedom Are Not Compatible

"Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God," wrote Cardinal Bergoglio in a letter sent to the monasteries of Buenos Aires. "We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God." ... Pope Francis

15 posted on 03/27/2013 5:13:49 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: GraceG
I fear they will FORCE churches to marry gay folks, but they will chicken out forcing mosques to do the same....

Roger that. I loved this timely message from the 'religion of piece' (sic): Gays Contrary To Islam

16 posted on 03/27/2013 5:17:33 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Bratch

I’m dead set against gay marriage...period! But I’ve been thinking about the alternative of civil unions...not marriage! But this would give the “strange” people some legal status they are seeking. But along with that would come ACCOUNTABILITY! The same accountability people now have with marriage...alimony, splitting up assets when the “relationship” ends, etc. Right now they want the “feel good” upside...they should also accept the same financial downside when they seek a new partner. Nobody talks about this part of it.


17 posted on 03/27/2013 6:38:05 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: Mike Darancette
How long until the words “Husband”, “Wife”, “Bride”, and “Groom” become dropped as being homophobic?

Immediately if this is ever adopted nationwide. Since they decided to allow these people to adopt, birth certificates now have Parent 1 and Parent 2 in place of Mother and Father.

18 posted on 03/27/2013 7:50:15 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

already done.

The AP stylebook. (mandatory for those who work and resell to the AP for distribution.) Editors use that to rewrite noncompliant stories, leftists use it to goebles think lie public opinion.


19 posted on 03/27/2013 8:20:37 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: NoLibZone

Turd poking is a civil right. Leave the feces lovers alone. They want to get “married” and raise little Johnny and Tommy to see daddy plugging away at the other daddy when they open the door wantring someone to make their breakfast. Little Johny and little Tommy will see nothing but the two daddies kissing each other and whatever else while he’s in the formulative years of his life, but the whacko leftist fruitcakes want to tell us that little Johnny will not be affected by any of it and he’ll like boys, OR girls, and nothing is wrong with it. Those fudgepacking degenerate, pathetic perverts should all be arrested before they corrupt the morals of any child. It is absolute child abuse to let homosexuals or lesbians raise a child. Never did I think I would live to see the day that this country openly promotes the immoral and degenerate as normal behavior. God will not be mocked, that’s for damn sure.


20 posted on 03/27/2013 11:17:40 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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