Rand Paul squashes AP's 'wrong' report

Correct; there should be no rewards for proximity to the US. India has ten times more people then Mexico and there should be approximately ten times as many Indians coming here as Mexicans. Also, if they don’t speak English, don’t come.

Observe what is actually going on right now as I type...illegals are coming in non-stop, there is no effective fence on the southern border, illegals are receiving welfare by the millions, illegals are holding jobs by the millions, illegals are committing crime.

So what is your solution...just ignore and do nothing? Do not proclaim we should round up all illegals and deport them. We can’t even find the 10 most wanted! The country already has Trillion dollar deficits. There is no money to round up 12 million people even if the government wanted to.

I am sick of people spouting against immigration reform when they have no PRACTICAL solutions to propose.

Rand Paul’s proposal does NOT accelerate path to citizenship to illegals. His proposal requires closing borders as first priority. When that is done, illegals with no criminal record can apply for work permits and register. Now we will know who is here and where they live. At that point they become legal and eligible to apply for the Green card just like millions of people world wide. They go at the end of line of people who have already applied for Green card. When their turn comes, they get the Green card (permanent resident visa). After that they have a waiting period of 5 years same as every one else.

Do you know we award 1 Million+ immigrants US citizenship every year? So Rand sends the illegals at the end of that line. So the only thing Rand gives up is deporting them, for which we have no money to do anyway. What we gain is whereabouts of every illegal immigrant. They will be required to register their current addres exactly same as legal Green card holders are required.

how many times have we been assured the border would be closed FIRST and we are still waiting?

I am sick of people spouting against immigration reform when they have no PRACTICAL solutions to propose.

Here is my plan:

Advocate a pro-immigrant policy of low immigration. Republicans need to provide the American people with their own comprehensive immigration reform plan, i.e., give people a reason to vote FOR something rather than just attack the other side’s proposals. Such a plan should contain the following elements:

 Formulate a merit based immigration system that brings in the skills and talents to keep us competitive in the global economy;

 Reduce immigration levels based on need more closely approximating 300,000 a year;

 Eliminate extended chain migration, i.e., family reunification, limiting it to the nuclear family,

 Secure the border;

 Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;

 Eliminate birthright citizenship and the visa lottery program;

 Ensure that anyone who enters this nation illegally is not rewarded by being permitted to stay and work here; i.e., no amnesty;

 Streamline the processing and adjudication of immigration cases;

 Promote pro-immigrant measures that help newcomers assimilate and embrace the values and principles of our Founders and the Constitution.

There is no money to round up 12 million people even if the government wanted to.

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does. During the 2006 amnesty debate, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) commissioned a Zogby poll offering respondents not the false choice between mass deportation or amnesty (a word CIS did not use in the survey), but rather a three-way choice between mass deportation, earned legalization, and attrition — and attrition was preferred two-to-one over legalization.

Rand Paul’s proposal does NOT accelerate path to citizenship to illegals. His proposal requires closing borders as first priority. When that is done, illegals with no criminal record can apply for work permits and register. Now we will know who is here and where they live. At that point they become legal and eligible to apply for the Green card just like millions of people world wide. They go at the end of line of people who have already applied for Green card. When their turn comes, they get the Green card (permanent resident visa). After that they have a waiting period of 5 years same as every one else.

Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are over 4 million intending immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally. They have completed the paperwork, had the various background checks, physicals, and paid the required fees. The illegal aliens are put at the head of the line under Paul's scheme. They get amnesty, the object of their crime, i.e., they get to stay and work here. Where is the fairness in that?

These lawbreakers have committed more crimes than just entering this country illegally flaunting our sovereignty and laws. They are working illegally, they are guilty of ID theft, tax evasion, driving without a license, lying on employment forms, etc. These are the people you want to reward with the right to stay here and eventual citizenship? Many of them are already receiving government benefits.

About half of the lawbreakers lack even a high school degree. They will receive more in government benefits than they contribute in taxes. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers.

Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. A path to citizenship is a bonus. Giving them green cards entitles them to all the benefits of citizenship except voting. They can receive welfare and entitlement benefits, SSNs, driver's licenses, work permits etc.

Do you know we award 1 Million+ immigrants US citizenship every year? So Rand sends the illegals at the end of that line. So the only thing Rand gives up is deporting them, for which we have no money to do anyway. What we gain is whereabouts of every illegal immigrant. They will be required to register their current addres exactly same as legal Green card holders are required.

The line begins in their home country. Why do we have to legalize their status? Let's just secure our borders including a system to track and deport visa overstays, which account for 40% of the illegals here, and enforce our existing laws. The illegals will either go home or die off.

And do you really expect the Obama administration to deal with this problem the way the laws are written. Obama has already given a backdoor amnesty to 1.8 million Dreamers. He should be impeached.

And let's get real about legal immigration. Every ten years we have what amounts to an amnesty. With 1.2 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ENTERING ANNUALLY, they will be able to vote eventually and two thirds of them will vote Dem. Illegal immigration is the shiny little bauble that distracts us from the real game changer--legal immigration. The status quo will make the Dems the permanent majority party. Amnesty just hastens the process.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with your plan for FUTURE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. But you have not addressed what to do with the 12 million plus already here illegally, who are either collecting welfare benefits, holding jobs (most work hard at low paid jobs) or committing crimes.

Like I said we are broke. We do not have the resources to track down 12 million illegals who are all underground. We do not know who and where. When I received my Green Card I had to register my address EVERY YEAR to keep my visa legal.

“Two thirds of them will vote Democrat”

Incorrect....

The Pew Hispanic Center reports that 80% of first generation Hispanics vote Democrat.

Fourth generation Hispanics vote 60% Democrat.

“Probation”

Rand Paul cannot be serious.

By Election Day, 2014, every Democrat and every major news organization in America will be comparing probationary status to “Jim Crow” laws in the old Confederacy.

the plan is to turn off the welfare, and stop giving them benefits like in-state tuition, turn off the jobs and make them go home on their own accord.

“I am sick of people spouting against immigration reform when they have no PRACTICAL solutions to propose.”

(1) Mandatory E-Verify for all job applicants.

(2) Civil liability and criminal penalties for any employer who hires non-Verified labor.

(3) E-Verify or mandatory proof of legal residence for any welfare application.

To my knowledge, Rand Paul has not publicly supported ANY of these three “Practical Solutions.”

we’re too broke to enforce the border but we can afford to provide freebies to tens of millions of foreign criminal aliens??

we even have a food stamp program in MEXICO!!

good lord

Let me add to your argument on education levels.

Several widely published surveys claim that LEGAL immigrants have a higher rate of college education than native born Americans.

What those surveys do not mention is that almost all legal immigrants come from Third World countries.

Overwhelmingly, their degrees are not accredited by American employers.

Overwhelmingly, college educated immigrants have worked only for their home government and have no experience in a competitive economy.

This is a lesson that conservative politicians shouod learn from Paul. ALWAYS correct the MSM spin. Never let the b_stards redefine history without a correction on the public record.

Anyone who does not conclude that amnesty in any form is just promoting the left’s Demographic Warfare on America,snf promote conservative policy accordingly, is damning our nation to cultural and social balkanization. Obama means to creat a cultural mosaic across America, rather than the traditional melting pot model.

How soon will we be facing leftist demands of national bilingualism( english / spanish)language laws in government and then in industry?

We are engaged in a demographic warfare with illegal aliens, and it should be treated as such.

But you have not addressed what to do with the 12 million plus already here illegally, who are either collecting welfare benefits, holding jobs (most work hard at low paid jobs) or committing crimes.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Here is what I said in my plan:

" Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;

I also described further in my post what attrition thru enforcement meant.

Like I said we are broke. We do not have the resources to track down 12 million illegals who are all underground.

This is one reason why attrition thru enforcement is the best solution. The idea is to make this country as unwelcoming to illegal aliens as possible. Shut off the job magnet, cut off social benefits, no in-state tuition for illegals, deport any illegal picked up by law enforcement, etc.

When I received my Green Card I had to register my address EVERY YEAR to keep my visa legal.

We have over 2 million criminal aliens. They are not going to register nor will millions more who don't trust the government or don't want to legalized. Once you are legalized, employers must adhere to things like the minimum wage. You are less competitive as a legal worker.

Green cards or legalization entitles you to social welfare and entitlement benefits. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And this doesn't include Obamacare. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

Here is what Prof Jim Gimple, U of MD, provided in his article. Immigration, Political Realignment, and the Demise of Republican Political Prospects

Regardless of whether it is two thirds or 80 percent, the net result is the same. The GOP is like the factory owner who when told that he was losing a nickle a widget, responded, "Don't worry, I'll make it up in volume."

More importantly, 25% of the adult LEGAL immigrants who enter this country annually lack even a high school degree. We are literally importing hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts annually, which explains why more than 50% of immigrant headed households with children are on at least two major welfare programs.

I tried to read through your previous very long post.

But I stopped when you said current laws must be enforced.
Exactly how do you propose to get Obama and his justice department chief Holder to do that? Stop hallucinating and face reality. They are not going to do it, EVER!!!!

If you can’t get that through your head, ther eis no point debating with you.

The only purpose why Rand Paul is proposing his proposal is to mollify the Hispanic voters. May be...just may be that will reduce the 70%:30% ratio down a couple of points. Rand absolves the forced deportation but offers zero on the time schedule how fast the illegals can acquire citizenship. Read my previous posts again and I have explained it all.

I will bet you never went through the process of immigration. You never dealt with ICE or INS as it was called during my days. I have first hand experience on how the whole process works since I arrived on a student visa. I finished my degree, found a job in my field, and my employer sponsored me for the Green card.

On the point of 2 million criminal illegals you claim to have, simple 2nd grade math will tell you 2 million is easier to deal with than 12 to 30 million illegals. Even better is the fact that when an illegal is given a work visa, their background will be checked. And they will be given a “Yellow” card called work visa. The criminal illegals won’t have that yellow card and they will be much easier to segregate.

No system is going to be perfect. But please get off your dream horse expecting “current laws to be enforced”. What the heck do you think Obama/Holder did to Arizona when that state tried to duplicate federal laws and enforce them? They sued the state of Arizona!

I am really sick and tired of people like you keep saying this SHOULD BE DONE AND THAT LAW SHOULD BE DONE. Wake up and smell the coffee. We are electing people with left wing agenda. They are winning elections because of people like you.

Have you read the news lately? Obama/Holder are in charge!
What did they do when Arizona passed a law DUPLICATING federal law so they could enforce it in state of AZ?

Holder/Obama sued the state of Arizona!

This is the problem with dreamers. They dream of of how things should be done. They dream of purity.

As Margaret Thatcher said, you have to win the argument first, then you win elections.

Conservatives lost more seats in 2012 because they keep talking how things should be. When you lose election, your agenda loses in total and complete.

What Rand Paul is proposing sets up for reducing the 70% Hispanic vote for democrats. It is a practical and clever proposal. Take it from me, I have gone through immigration for a decade before I was awarded US citizenship. I understand better than most here how clever Rand’s proposal is.

But I stopped when you said current laws must be enforced. Exactly how do you propose to get Obama and his justice department chief Holder to do that? Stop hallucinating and face reality. They are not going to do it, EVER!!!!

Then why is Rand Paul offering an amnesty for the 12 to 20 million lawbreakers? Unless you secure the border and enforce existing laws you will have more lawbreakers entering the country for a third amnesty.

The only purpose why Rand Paul is proposing his proposal is to mollify the Hispanic voters. May be...just may be that will reduce the 70%:30% ratio down a couple of points. Rand absolves the forced deportation but offers zero on the time schedule how fast the illegals can acquire citizenship. Read my previous posts again and I have explained it all.

If that is his motive then he is stupider than I thought. It is like the factory owner when told he was losing a nickle a widget, he responded that he would make it up in volume. By 2050 one in three in this country will be Hispanic. What difference is it if they vote 70-30 or 68-32.

I will bet you never went through the process of immigration. You never dealt with ICE or INS as it was called during my days. I have first hand experience on how the whole process works since I arrived on a student visa. I finished my degree, found a job in my field, and my employer sponsored me for the Green card.

I have actually issued visas including student and immigrant visas during my 28 years as a Foreign Service Officer. My wife is an immigrant. It is one of the reasons that I am part of a grassroots immigration organization that lobbies on the Hill and in Richmond.

On the point of 2 million criminal illegals you claim to have, simple 2nd grade math will tell you 2 million is easier to deal with than 12 to 30 million illegals. Even better is the fact that when an illegal is given a work visa, their background will be checked. And they will be given a “Yellow” card called work visa. The criminal illegals won’t have that yellow card and they will be much easier to segregate.

Yeah the criminals will cooperate in identifying themselves. They just won't register and if we can't enforce our laws as you mentioned, then why would they register? Under the Rand plan just as it was under the McCain-Kennedy bill, every illegal will immediately have their status legalized thru probationary or temporary visas and the the background checks will be done latter. Under McCain-Kennedy it was the infamous Z visa. This is all crap. Legalization first and enforcement latter just as was the case in 1986.

No system is going to be perfect. But please get off your dream horse expecting “current laws to be enforced”. What the heck do you think Obama/Holder did to Arizona when that state tried to duplicate federal laws and enforce them? They sued the state of Arizona!

I am very familiar with that case as well as the case that upheld AZ's mandatory e-verify system. Our group demonstrated in front of the Supreme Court during the hearing. SCOTUS did not throw SB1070 out entirely. We can still stop and check immigration status. The real locus for the enforcement of our immigration laws is at the state level. We are having much more success there.

I am really sick and tired of people like you keep saying this SHOULD BE DONE AND THAT LAW SHOULD BE DONE. Wake up and smell the coffee. We are electing people with left wing agenda. They are winning elections because of people like you.

You are an idiot. Clearly, you don't understand this country and the vision of our Founders. Get better informed. The Left is winning elections because they have used immigration to change the demography of this country. Demography is destiny.

Thanks for the link.

I was just trying to emphasize the huge short term political damage that 11 million “new” Hispanic voters can do to the Republican Party.

Speaking of “volume.”

Hispanics have the lowest voter participation rate among all major ethnic groups in America.

Turning out Hispanic voters has become the number one priority of the Democrat Party, especially in Texas.

When Blacks and Hispanics start to vote at the same rate as whites, say goodbye to the minimal political power Conservatives still have left.