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Mr. Prager, You are Wrong on Marijuana
Townhall.com ^ | March 18, 2013 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 03/18/2013 7:39:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

In his column of March 12, 2013, my beloved friend wrote on the issue of legalized marijuana in the state of Colorado. On his radio show, he justifiably bemoaned readers of his column who had written comments questioning his sanity and their relationship over this one issue despite years of being Prager groupies. I will not do any of that. But for only the second time in our long relationship, Mr. Prager, you are dead wrong on a topic … but I still love you.

We Baby Boomers grew up in a generation where marijuana made the jump from the dark corners of jazz clubs to mainstream culture. We were advised to stay away from the dangerous herb by silly movies like Reefer Madness. We were forewarned that marijuana was a gateway drug to things like cocaine and heroin (crystal meth was not topical then). Yet despite all these warnings, the use of marijuana spread and people were not seeing the ugly warnings come true.

Then President Nixon appointed a commission chaired by Raymond P. Shafer to look at the exploding use of illicit drugs in America. The commission came back with a simple conclusion – stop prosecuting the use of marijuana and employ other methods to dissuade people from partaking. This would free up resources to pursue dangerous drugs like heroin and cocaine. That was 1972 and President Nixon told his commission to jump in a lake.

Forty years later we are still confronting the same issues. The field has changed due to new designer drugs and the in-vogue use of legal medications in illegal manners. Yet there is the old, standby marijuana exhibiting the same innocuous effects. The only difference is the partial legalization of its use across the country because of its proven medicinal benefits. And in the 40 years since Nixon blew the chance to advance the issue of drug use in our society, we found out marijuana is just as dangerous as The Shafer commission found it – which is not really.

First we must accept the fact that the ingesting of anything in excess can lead one to destroy their lives. And you can certainly find multiple examples of malingerers excessively using marijuana. The question in those cases becomes is the marijuana the cause or effect? This society has endured the widespread use of marijuana for almost 50 years and the instances of problems from use of marijuana are miniscule.

Mr. Prager starts his column by analyzing the effects upon the culture in Colorado in the short three months since legalization. He falls into the same trap as the journalists he cites. How can you possibly analyze the effects of the new law after such a short period of time? Is it really shocking to see some people flocking to the use because of the change in legal status? How different is this than people flocking to the hot new restaurant? How do we know that the entire usage might not become passé? To even discuss what is going on with the change in law reeks of premature evaluation. We wrote a column two months ago endorsing the experimentation of such laws at the state level. Let’s give these laws a chance as that is the purpose of federalization.

Mr. Prager then lurches into comparing the use of tobacco products to marijuana. His righteous indignation against the anti-tobacco forces remains totally justifiable. In fact, their war against tobacco at times staggers the imagination. Except for the statement that some people would endorse the use of marijuana yet deplore the use of tobacco products is fair, but his commentary is of little relevance.

The real comparison has been and is between alcohol and marijuana. There is no doubt to a large part of our society that marijuana use is safer and better for the society than alcohol. You don’t hear of people going into a marijuana rage. You don’t hear of two dudes duking it out after toking up in a barroom brawl. You don’t hear of husbands lighting up and then going home and beating their wives and children. We do hear of happy drunks, but we certainly hear more about the unhappy ones. The worst effect of marijuana use remains dry mouth, excessive giggling and mass consumption of nacho cheese Doritos.

Sure there are irresponsible people who drive after partaking too much, but is that anything different than alcohol or all the other illicit and licit drugs being improperly used? To this Mr. Prager states “Legalizing marijuana is foolish because it leads to far more use of the drug and the availability of ever more potent forms.” Unfortunately, this is wrong on so many levels. We don’t have any idea whether usage will really remain higher in the future or whether the new legalized marijuana will replace the use of alcohol or the misuse of legal medications. If the latter happens that would be a good thing. As for the potency, legalization will standardize the potency and allow customers to know what they are smoking which can only also be a good thing. Apparently, Mr. Prager did not stop in a marijuana store during his world travels to Amsterdam. My friends using medical marijuana in California tell me for the first time in their lives they know what they are buying.

Dennis, my beloved friend, you should sit back, take a puff off one of your pipes and wait for the real results of the experiment in the legalization of marijuana. If three years from now driving in Colorado is like being in bumper cars at the County Fair then we will know we made a mistake and the other 48 states will say no way. I am putting my money on Mr. Shafer and the fact we should have done this 40 years ago.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cannabis; dennisprager; drugs; drugwar; federalism; marijuana; narcotics; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: Vaduz
Dopers have a stereotype...and it fits..what this law does is make it easier for kids to get it...and for the all day long crowd to get more of it....the smoke before school or work..then more at lunch..and afterward too...can´t be straight ever in their minds....and there are many of them....I know a few...zoned out all of the time..it does affect them..the stereotype....
21 posted on 03/18/2013 9:09:55 AM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: The_Media_never_lie
>"Colorado will rue the day of legalization."

Our Nation Rues the day of prohibition.

22 posted on 03/18/2013 9:14:13 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Key words... ‘I imagine...”


23 posted on 03/18/2013 9:29:46 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: varyouga

If we held to those standards, then those who drink wine with dinner should be held to the same level as the wino on the street.


24 posted on 03/18/2013 9:31:57 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: CrazyIvan

That must have been an unusual school.


25 posted on 03/18/2013 9:46:51 AM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnÂ’t for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: autumnraine

Dude!


26 posted on 03/18/2013 9:47:02 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: Kaslin
We were advised to stay away from the dangerous herb by silly movies like Reefer Madness.

Reefer Madness was made by the same man who made Maniac (later billed as Sex Maniac) and bought Freaks from MGM.

You weaken your argument by treating the films of Dwain Esper and Don Sonney etc. as principled indictments of depravity. They were exploitation filmmakers (one step away from carnival barker) showing glimpses of t!ts and a$$ with "moral" lessons to be learned by the roadshow audiences. They even screened sex ed films to segregated audiences (complete with birth of a baby sequences) and pumped noxious fumes so that patrons could "see" the "shocked" and "nauseous" audiences who'd witnessed their overhyped bits of four walled entertainment.

27 posted on 03/18/2013 9:49:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Kaslin; Revolting cat!

Iceberg Slim must’ve been wrong on marijuana too. He said it made his prostitutes too lazy to go to work.


28 posted on 03/18/2013 9:50:33 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: ansel12
“Reefer Madness” from 1936”? I think it’s theater run was over well before 1966.

It was from the 1930s. And Esper tried to litigate when some people were screening his film for midnight screenings without paying him. He also got crapped on by MGM who now claim that they merely "leased" him Freaks (they threw the negative in the ocean, and now release HIS edited version with HIS "warning" screen roll tacked on to theatrical and home video releases).

29 posted on 03/18/2013 9:56:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Youngman542012

From the Elmore Leonard film Jackie Brown:

You smoke too much of that shit, that shits gonna rob you of your ambition...

Not if your ambition is to get high and watch TV...


30 posted on 03/18/2013 9:57:46 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: Kaslin
Prager is right but his reasoning is weak.

As our society spirals downward into wider tolerance and defence of every form of sexual immorality, infanticide, drug use the citizenry bemoans the dishonesty and lawlessness of the institutions of church, government, academia and news media, yet many, like the “free to use drugs is freedom” crowd cannot see the connection between the two, action and result.

31 posted on 03/18/2013 9:58:18 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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We were forewarned that marijuana was a gateway drug to things like cocaine and heroin

Is there a study that quantifies how many people use cocaine before any other substances?

And without legalizing cocaine and heroin, there will still be illicit drug trade.

Even with legal alcohol sales, there are still home distillers who face tax revenuers.

32 posted on 03/18/2013 9:59:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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Then President Nixon appointed a commission chaired by Raymond P. Shafer to look at the exploding use of illicit drugs in America. The commission came back with a simple conclusion – stop prosecuting the use of marijuana and employ other methods to dissuade people from partaking.

(A) the culture CELEBRATES its use.

(B) why dissuade use if there are no health implications, drains on productivity, or other negative effects? It's like abortion, right? Just some dead tissue, no shame in doing it.

Meanwhile MAAD seeks neo-prohibition of alcohol (and has been since the 1980s) and smoking nazis/lawyers/states have targeted tobacco for big financial shakedowns for decades as well.

A bit late to think that pot or anything else can be legalized without total restriction, prohibition on its actual use. Employers can even prohibit employees from smoking tobacco in their non-working hours. Would doping be akin to homosexuality? A lifestyle choice above such discrimination?

33 posted on 03/18/2013 10:04:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: count-your-change

There is no work ethic anymore.

Gimme gimme gimmes want it all. Without cost.

Going to be $20,000,000,000,000 in debt with no one wanting to “pay their share”.


34 posted on 03/18/2013 10:06:34 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Although I’ve never bothered with it, I did know that it was popular among dopers.


35 posted on 03/18/2013 10:08:43 AM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnÂ’t for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: ansel12

I know some people in the school system. Maybe I can find out if it’s still in their film library!


36 posted on 03/18/2013 10:13:57 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: varyouga

If it’s the same why not just stay legal and have a glass of wine?


37 posted on 03/18/2013 10:15:50 AM PDT by Monty22002
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To: CrazyIvan

Could be, but it has the sound of being something more connected to an individual, like, perhaps the principle came across it and thought that it would make an impression on the kids, I would be surprised if it was district wide, or was shown annually for class after class.


38 posted on 03/18/2013 10:28:52 AM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnÂ’t for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

It is not a harmless drug......


39 posted on 03/18/2013 10:43:27 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: varyouga
“They tell me you can always tell which ones are on weed—they tend to be sloppy, aimless, and mentally slow on the uptake.” If you can tell (or smell), then those are the idiot smokers.

Many intelligent, very successful people consume it and you would never guess.

Just curious: How many do you know who are married (i.e., to someone of the opposite sex), go to church, and have more than two children?

40 posted on 03/18/2013 10:48:37 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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