[BroJoeK]

Sloth: "My only comment is that there is always an inherent right to secede."

Sure, and you have an inherent "right" to declare war on the United States.
And after you've been defeated and surrender unconditionally, you still have an inherent "right" to lie about the whole thing, claiming you were the innocent "victim" of some oppressive government.

And everyone else has the inherent right to laugh at your nonsense.

[central_va]

So this union we are in, are you proud of it today? Is it fair that the most of the union is diametrically opposed to the other half? And because Lincoln killed states rights we have NATIONALIZED every political issue that should have been handled locally. So I ask again, are you proud?

While just an intellectual game, it is my supposition if you could bring back the founders and after studying history that they missed for 200 years, they would be, to a man, appalled and would especially have hatred of Lincoln.

[Sloth]

All those things are true. I don’t defend the Confederacy. But it’s colossally hypocritical for the United States to forcibly deny secession to its constituent entities when the U.S. was itself formed by secession from the British empire.