Posted on 03/10/2013 5:56:32 AM PDT by RaceBannon
As of this writing, Senator Rand Paul is still on his feet filibustering the nomination of John Brennan to be director of the CIA. But as he eventually made clear, his goal is not so much to actually stop Brennan, as it is to make a meal of the comments made this morning by Attorney General Eric Holder when he was pressed about U.S. policies on drone strikes on terrorists during an appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee. When asked whether the government considered it had the right to use an armed drone on an American citizen within the borders of the United States, Holder didn’t give the senators a straight answer. They were entitled to such an answer, as well as to the documents they requested. But those who are now saying that the dustup over using drones in the United States is the sole point of Paul’s filibuster hasn’t been listening closely to him as he held the Senate floor.
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Then why is Rand against the war on Al Qaeda and why is he quoting CODE PINK, ANSWER, all the left wing anti-war groups, to include ADAM KOKESH THE TRAITOR by claiming
” it is perpetual war”
war that we didn’t start, yet RAND wants to stop fighting back
that means he is surrendering, he is a DHIMMI
Most of the knights that made up the core of Western forces came from France, Brittany, Normandy, Burgundy, Cornwall ~ and maybe England but not all that many from there or the German speaking states.
If Paul imagines the last decade or so is a long time he wouldn't have stood up to the Reconquista very well.
Now, back to the Reconquista ~ a young knight growing up in most of the Western core of Western Europe who was anything but the eldest son could expect to take ownership of a horse, some hand me down or inherited armor, buy a good sword, and take off for Spain where he could hope to join a Christian force engaged in a continuation battle against the Moors.
If he were lucky he'd get a farm and some serfs. If he were unlucky he'd die, be maimed, or have enough sense left to make the long trek back around the Bay of Biscay to home.
700+ years is a very long time ~ that's a civilization's lifespan, not a mere battle ~ which is what makes it difficult to comprehend the impact of the Reconquista on The West ~
It's may not be over.
Spamming this website for John McCain must pay well. There’s no other explanation for your continual nonsense.
So, being one of those automatically excludes the other? I don't think it works that way.
Rand Paul and his father are not the same person and yet you are deliberately mixing up the two. I was never a Ron Paul supporter.
You should go read up on Rand Paul so that next time you don’t post anything stupid.
Islam is radical Islam.
Constitution, Constitution, Constitution, followed by DUE PROCESS.
Defend against all ememies, foreign and domestic. Non-citizens, at least until recently, were denied certain rights that are granted to citizens as a matter of course, one of these being, due process.
Targeting of US citizens on American soil CANNOT be done at the whim of whoever happens to be in the White House, or in the case of this regime, the White Hut.
It was not about the drones (true enough), but the usurpation of authority to KILL persons possing US citizenship without due process.
True, the person in question perhaps should not have been granted US citizenship in the first place, as he had chosen to become an enemy of the Republic, but there is also DUE PROCESS to be followed BEFORE execution takes place.
Otherwise we are back to the situations at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
IT took Holder days to admit that it was not constitutional. You would thing that a no would have been an immediate response. What I figure from that is that was an attempt to expand the Pres powers over all of us. And they can blow that out their Obama!
I disagree with a ‘perpetual’ war against terrorists...We should kill them now and get it over with. Quit putting up with these ticky tack attacks.
I disagree with drone strikes on ‘terrorist’ citizens in this country....because the line is too easily blurred and they don’t give a crap about collateral damage.
Democrats stick by their own kind.
Fellow thieves. Fellow vandals. Fellow rapists. Fellow murderers (especially of children).
They dream of the day when they get to treat us the same way we would be treated in Pakistan or Somalia. Buy more bullets!
And I figure we got played yet again. The sequester, the economy, was out of out the news cycle, and the eccentric Republican was in. Or do you think Holder actually somehow backed down? From what - the filibuster? Get real.
>> FOR LEGAL DOPE!
>> FOR LEGAL HOOKERS!
This is often the argument used against libertarians which should really be directed at the Libertarian Party and the liberals that own it.
Rand Paul’s version of libertarianism, as in small govt, doesn’t necessitate the depravity encapsulated in “Legal Dope and Hookers” as far as I’m concerned.
We all should understand the difference between statism and libertarianism along with the impact these enforcement factors have on morality.
>> On the other hand, Obama seems to love killing ...
Maybe he finds it empowering along with the other controls he’s putting into place.
We've been fighting this not-quite-war for twelve years, twice as long as it took us to stamp out Hitler and Tojo, and both Bush and Obama are to blame for its failure. Yes, FAILURE.
Sir, when we start fighting with all our strength and with the determination to extinguish the enemy's ideology from the planet, then I'll consider it "war". Not before.
While we have not yet seen the tactic employed I would consider some other thoughts in regards to the use of drones.
0bama ordered an American citizen killed in Yemen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/world/middleeast/anwar-al-awlaki-a-us-citizen-in-americas-cross-hairs.html?_r=0
Now, many here will dismiss this killing as he was an ‘enemy combatant,’ traitor, etc. And yes, to a degree I do get that, but was he never legally declared that through due process?
And this is indeed where I have my real big sticking point on this drone program as a whole. Let’s say you decide to go on vacation in a foreign land. Mexico maybe, the Carribean, or maybe Canada I don’t know...you are just out of the country for some reason be it business or pleasure. Consider in your mind that by being a member of the Tea Party, posting here on FR, going to protests, or make strong worded calls to your representative has somehow put you on ‘the list.’ We all sort of joke about being on the government list(s).
The drone program is a very neat and tidy assissination program on foreign soil, isn’t it.
We all more or less agreed that the idea of the drone program inside the U.S. would freak us out. You never know how the government defines radical/extremist/enemy combatant very well these days, do you?
Perpetual war and the battlefield is everywhere and the government has an ever growing kill list.
I don’t think Rand is against killing islamist terrorists. I do think he is against killing American citizens without some sort of due process of law.
” The missile strike on Sept. 30, 2011, that killed Mr. Awlaki — a terrorist leader whose death lawyers in the Obama administration believed to be justifiable — also killed Mr. Khan, though officials had judged he was not a significant enough threat to warrant being specifically targeted. The next month, another drone strike mistakenly killed Mr. Awlaki’s 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, who had set off into the Yemeni desert in search of his father. Within just two weeks, the American government had killed three of its own citizens in Yemen. Only one had been killed on purpose. “
Lawyers determined it justifiable, not a court, not a military court, lawyers and 0bama. That is a lot or power.
This is a very slipperly slope and there is one thing I do know in my heart, I do not trust my government with this kind of power here in the U.S. And if I am afraid here, but know I am protected from them here...why should that change if I need to leave the country?
If Rand Paul is eccentric, then we need a LOT more eccentrics like him in the Republican Party. He certainly jarred the opposition, shook them to their very roots, as it were.
And that included the John McCains and Lindsey Grahams, also sometimes referred to as “RINOs”, those who are perfectly happy to keep the balance of interaction with the Current Regime on a cozy level of amity and what they believe to be mutual admiration.
However, the admiration only flows one direction. Bronco Bama really despises all and anybody who have the termity to call themselves “Republican”, no matter what stripe.
you can accuse Holder of being stupid or of being an evil conspirator, but you’d be wrong ~ he is UTTERLY stupid. The man is a political thug. He couldn’t answer because his handlers hadn’t written up a position ~ a simple oversight on their part.
Except Rand’s eccentricity includes being pro-amnesty, which is the death to conservatism and the US.
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