Posted on 03/08/2013 5:58:31 AM PST by EXCH54FE
Certainly there are those who see a conspiracy behind every tree, none more so perhaps than Mac Slavo. Writing for his inelegantly named SHTF Plan, he points out that since President Obama was first elected in 2008, Americans have purchased more than 65 million guns, which averages one new gun purchase every 1.5 seconds. Says Slavo, this “suggests there is much more … than just people stocking up to go hunting or sports shooting.” And then, without providing sources, Slavo ticks off the statistics: Smith and Wesson is running at full capacity, Ruger is ramping up production to meet demand, Armalite is “maxed out,” Colt is increasing its production runs, Springfield Armory is “running 30-45 days behind,” while Magpul “is behind 1 MILLION (his bold) mags.… Do not expect any large quantities anytime soon.”
If the information you hear doesn't originate from Hornady Manufacturing, don’t believe it.
Here are some of rumors we've heard, and questions we've received:
•Have you stopped production, or has the government forced you to stop?
◦Not at all.
•Did you stop selling bullets so you could only make loaded ammunition?
◦Absolutely not.
•Since we can’t find your product you must be selling it all to the government.
◦Nope, less than 5% of our sales are to government entities.
•Why can’t you make more? Ramp up production? Turn on all the machines?
◦ We've been steadily growing our production for a long time, especially the last five years. We've added presses, lathes, CNC equipment, people and space. Many popular items are produced 24 hours a day.
We are producing as much as we can; much more than last year, which was a lot more than the year before, etc. No one wants to ship more during this time than we do.
(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...
Amazing what a box of donuts will do...
New American a John Birch Society magazine
Also from the article:
Kidder also attributed the cutbacks to recent reductions in U.S. military actions.
This insinuates that demand is down, when there are real shortages on the streets. Since he's being disingenuous on the last part, a rational person might question the rest, but hey, that's just me
“Do you know why IMR powder cannot be found anywhere?? IMR 4895, 3031, and 4064 are “on backorder” at every supplier I have checked!”
Have you contaced Hodgdon’s directly?
I’d like to get a source for that info.
If you had bothered to read the article you would have learned that it is an Army munitions plant that has undergone modernization.
Went to a gun show to get the wife a pistol. The 380 was the only one she could pull the slide back to chamber a round. Probably should have gone with a revolver. Good thing is with very little practice she is extremely accurate.
Ammo isn’t hazmat
380 has become very popular lately because a lot of smaller CCL guns are chambered for that. I used to buy a lot as my carry is a Walther PPK/S.
Ya..and it’s just a coincidence that ATK has chosen now to shut down the Lake City facility, and lay off workers, so they can perform a $400M upgrade.
That they’re a major DOD contractor, couldn’t have influenced their timing.....
Years ago the Post Office offered a stamp honoring Dag Hammarskjöld. They accidentally printed one sheet upside down and a collector bought it. It was worth millions!
The Post Office responded by printing hundreds of thousands of upside down stamps diluting the collector value of the original sheet of stamps.
I hope we can flood the US with enough guns and magazines to show that the law will be useless.
Americans, who were mostly hunters back in 1968, were blindsided by the 1968 Gun Control Act.
Today, gun owners are mostly recreational shooters and are well aware of the real agenda of the anti-gun forces, and gun owners are HOPPING MAD! Gun owners today will NOT go softly into that good night!
In the stores I’ve seen boxes are limited to 3/customer/day. 22LR is limited to 1 box. Still doesn’t stop the frigging employees from snapping it up before anybody else though. I’ve seen this.
That’s what you get when you operate a Government Ammunition Plant. If I owned and operated an ammo plant, there is no way I’d sell to this government.
Because demand increasing by more than 500% couldn’t possibly explain shortages right?
Lake City is a government owned, contractor-operated facility and you don’t find LCAAP ammo on the shelf at Walmart. It is by design a government supplier. LC ammo that I have purchased has all been surplus.
In short, you aren’t seeing empty shelves due to anyting LCAAP is doing or not doing. And yes, I do believe that $400 million in automation would lead to worker layoffs. Sometimes a bridge is just a bridge.
Private manufacturers, large and small, are making more ammo than they ever have. Some if not all are worried about investing too much to increase capacity, because they are looking to a backside drop on this curve, where prices come down and every buyer is setting on a 10 years supply of ammo. Like all bubbles, you could see a rush to the bottom, as middlemen holding expensive inventory try to dump it as fast as possible to minimize losses. Also, if prices drop, everyone currently sitting on backorders will start cancelling their orders.
I saw this coming and bought a stockpile before prices jumped. I’m now waiting for the downside (if one comes) and then I might start adding to my storage again.
Before the surge, I screwed up and ordered a thousand rounds of 380 ACP when I actually had thought it was 38 special....just one click difference....Kinda glad I did make that mistake, now.....I already had enough 38 SPL, 38 SPL +P and 357 Magnum to last me a long long time -— it was just such a good deal I couldn’t pass it up..
Now the people with lots of money to spend on ammo have cornered supplies and are hoarding hundreds of thousands of rounds. And are PROUD OF IT. While the folks who have modest or minimal incomes are left out in the cold. I know a lot of people who don’t have a lot of money and who can’t buy ammunition for their firearms. Not even enough to protect themselves and their property for more than a day.
If I was a wealthy man I would have purchased hundreds of thousands of rounds and then redistributed it to my fellow Americans who were in need. I also would have tried to enlist others who were as financially able as myself to do the same thing.
Do you see ANYONE of these so-called CONSERVATIVE gun-owning fat-cat HOARDERS on the internet doing this? All I see them doing is gloating about their ADVANCE PURCHASES and THUMBING THEIR NOSES at the rest of us.
To me there’s not a damned dime’s worth of difference between these 2d Amendment self-defense fat cat anti-tyranny fanatics and the criminals running the government in Washington DC. They are only out for THEMSELVES.
Just look at the videos from BLACK FRIDAY and the mayhem caused by ADDICTED SHOPPERS jumping over the slower ones and stomping them to death. SAME DEAL HERE.
We are doomed as a FREE SOCIETY not because the government is taking our ammo away, but because of the way individuals among us—and WE are supposed to be the enlightened ones— have reacted to that event. We will be known and remembered by the content of our character.
When the SHTF it will be every man for himself and that is why the battle will be LOST. OUR OWN SELFISHNESS and GREED will have defeated us. Mark my words.
That stuff won’t cycle a semi-auto, FYI....
Ammo isn’t hazmat
If YOU would have read and comprehended the article you would see that the spokespuppet was being disingenuous. They very last line insinuates a drop in demand. While there may indeed be a drop in demand from the military, the public is more that able and willing to pick up the slack.
There are several stores around me that used to always have Lake City 5.56MM in stock. I have not seen a single case in a few months. In a truly free market a manufacturer that could not meet demand would try to make hay when the sun is shining. If Lake City can run at 100% capacity with less employees, fine. But when your spokesman places blame on reduced military demand when the overall demand is through the roof, intelligent people just might question this.
Today Janet Napoleano
20 years ago, Janet Reno
Waco
People defending their home from armed attack by a large force of Government Law Enforcement Commandoes. Who knows if one of them wasn’t sitting down drinking coffee when they were attacked by Helicopters, snipers and swat team.
and later on by 9 Bradley Fighting vechiles, 5 engineer 50 ton tanks, 2 Main Battle Tanks, Helicopters and all the snipers the FBI could find..........
- a drone with a missle ain’t crap for these folks.
20 years ago
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