Posted on 03/04/2013 5:24:01 AM PST by knarf
While researching another matter, I came across this startling bit of legality ...
Mon., Nov . 3, 2008
HONOLULU - Barack Obama’s grandmother, whose personality and bearing shaped much of the life of the Democratic presidential contender, has died, Obama announced Monday, one day before the election.
Interestingly enough, there is ALSO one dealing with new rules governing what happens to a persons documents AFTER death. #2 #3 #4 particularly interesting.
1. HRS_0338-0020_0005.htm
Context: persons. (a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country and for whom child by adoptive parent or parents; (G) True or probable country of birth. The true or probable country of birth shall ...be known as the place of birth, and the date of birth shall be determined by birth; and (4) A request that a
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2. HRS_0578-0014.htm
Context: The department shall cause to be made a new record of the birth in the name of the individual, as fixed or changed who consents to be named on the certificate. (b) If a new birth certificate is issued, the original birth certificate shall be sealed and a record of birth exists, the certified copy of the decree or the abstract ...thereof, shall be transmitted by the department of health to the birth registration authorities of the place of the individual’s birth with a
Filesize: 6899
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3. HRS_0626-0001-0803.htm
Context: portraits, engravings on urns, crypts, or tombstones, or the like. (14) Records of documents affecting an interest in property. The record of a document of a public office and an applicable statute authorizes the recording of documents of that kind in that office. (15)...Statements in documents affecting an interest in property. A statement contained in a or among the person’s associates, or in the community, concerning a person’s birth, adoption, marriage, divorce, death, legitimacy,
Filesize: 62599
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8. HRS_0560-0001-0311.htm
Context: House Bill [§560:1-311] Documents sealed upon filing. In any action or proceeding under this ...having jurisdiction in matters relating to the affairs of decedents, the following documents shall be sealed upon filing: objections to a kokua kanawai’s report or a professional evaluation. The foregoing documents shall remain sealed unless otherwise ordered by the court; provided
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Few of these rulings "back up" Obama on being eligible. A couple of them just include dicta saying they aren't willing to tackle the issue or they cite the errant Ankeny v. Daniels decision ... and Obama already had a chance to cite these rulings in the Kansas Ballot Challenge, but he presented no actual caselaw to back the citations up, PLUS he cited a 14th amendment argument through a citation of Wong Kim Ark that was shown to be contradicted in Wong Kim Ark. He has nothing and these cases are not compelling, otherwsie the Kansas Ballot Challenge would have been immediately denied. It was not.
Your rules of evidence contradict that the issuing authority has presented legal evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. Under the law you cited, it says, “if these conditions are met: the record or document is otherwise admissible; and the copy is certified as correct in accordance with Rule 902(4)”. Further, under the rules of evidence, if such documentary evidence is not provided to the adverse party for inspecting prior to a trial or hearing, the claims in the documents is considered to be hearsay.
Something we don’t know about God, yet he might have put “this biggest HOAX ever perpetrated on the American People,” as Clint Eastwood said after the “empty chair” act, as a punishment on the American People, the same way he punished the Jewish people???
We don’t know if God did that!!!
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No way, because it was a huge fraud and always will be that way with young IT guys fixing the voting machines from outside the polls!!!
Sven: You still need to prove this for us what happened in 1983 and his SS# with creditable sources!!!
The reason is the secret meeting with eight Judges from the S.C. on January 14, 2009 one week before he stole OUR W.H. the Chicago-Godfather-AlCapone thugs sent a clear “message” IF....and then the most intelligent S.C. candidate ever presented, a week later, could not get the ceremony straight when looking into the eyes of the grinning Satan’s eyes. Then later humiliated at a SOUA with all the DNC-asses’ standing ovation and he later endorsed the un-Constitutional obamaScare. I’m relating to what happened to Andrew Breitbart on March 1, 2012 keeling over on the street, the night before Sheriff Arpaio’s press conference where Andrew talked to the Sheriff the evening before. Rush Limbo also scared to death after his Hawaiian hospital visit! After 1/14/2009 every possible entity from SCOTUS and down incl. CONgress, State, Municipalities, Law Enforcement, the so called “Media” even the military went AWOL except for a few patriots there and an immigrant brave female attorney with “balls.” From that day on we became slaves to upcoming MUZZIES and sharia law!!!
Well at the same time he intimidated bill and hill big time (Bill Gwatney) like he intimidated SCOTUS, and they saw the “writing” on the walls and were totally castrated caving in!!!
Both the plaintiffs and the defense have submitted copies of the Obama long form as exhibits for pre-trial motions in Taitz, et. al. v Mississippi Democratic Party Executive Committee, et. al.. The defense also has submitted a Certified Letter of Verification from the Hawaii Registrar.
See pages 11and 12 of the Motion in Opposition to Plaintiff’s Motion For Sanctions:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96289285/Mississippi-Democratic-Party-Motion-v-Taitz
The Judge has dismissed Taitz’s motion for a default judgement but he has not acted yet on the defense’s dispositive motion for judgement on the pleadings.
I know of only two other ineligibility suits where a copy of an Obama birth certificate was provided as an exhibit, the Georgia ballot challenge and again it was used as an exhibit by the plaintiff without objection from the defense and in Ankeny v Daniels, the plaintiffs provided the courts (original and appellate) with a copy of the factcheck.org image of a short form as evidence of Obama’s father’s birth in Kenya. Again there was no objection from the defense, Governor Daniels.
Agreed. He is the “Nothing”.
No evidence of his past exists that is not conjured.
He is a total fabrication. A Big Lie.
BS.
The Constitution says he MUST BE (in part) a “natural born US citizen”.
FACT.
The courts have stated that that was not defined within the Constitution, but never said it was the same as a “citizen”.
The meaning of the term was understood at the time the constitution was written and needed no explanation.
I can go back and reference the ruling and what the court actually said describing a related case.
They have been playing legal weasle word games with this. Saying that he is a “natural born” American citizen. Not United States but American. The two words are not the same. The term American can be applied to all of this Continent, both North and South America.
I think it is most likely that Frank Marshall Davis fathered Obozo. And the BHO, Sr. was a paid patsy to give the bastard offspring a name.
If that is true, he might be a natural born citizen and also a “natural born Commie B_tard.
I think it is most likely that Stanley Ann had him in Canada. It was NOT in HI.
Most of these early "supporters" of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF were party to the Communists "spooks".
There's a great volume of history you have to go through to understand this, and it goes back to about 1850.
Read these three articles on one of my earlier post:
It's deep, it's ugly, and most people WILL NOT ... CAN NOT ... accept the truth.
Every one of the quotations from those ten lawsuits is from the actual ruling. They are part of the holding of the court and they are not not dicta.
Which Kansas ballot challenge are you referring to? I was under the impression that the prospective plaintiff (Joe Montgomery) in the Kansas action withdrew his challenge.
Are you talking about a different ballot challenge in Kansas?
“You still need to prove this for us what happened in 1983 and his SS# with creditable sources!!!”
Not true !!!
Obama is using the Privacy Act to ensure credible sources never see the light of day. It is against the law to post someone’s birth certificate or Certificate of Naturalization without their permission.
Obama gave the world his permission to view and republish the COLB Hawaii created for him when he obtained a copy of it and published it on his campaign website. Before Hawaii would provide him with a copy of the COLB, he had demonstrate a right to obtain a copy. A living person has a right to obtain a copy of vital record created for them by the State in which they were born.
Likewise, Obama has the right to obtain a copy of his Certificate of Naturalization issued in 1983 from DHS. First, he must prove he has a right to obtain a copy. A living person has the right to obtain a copy of the Certificate of Naturalization issued to them.
Due to the Privacy Act, interested third parties, like me and you, cannot obtain, possess or publish a copy of Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization without his expressed written permission or a subpoena from a Court of competent jurisdiction.
Challenging Obama’s eligibility in Court is a civil matter, unless your a prosecutor. In all civil matters, Court rules dictate the allegations made in the civil complaint are true until successfully defended by the defendant(s). So, a plaintiff in a civil suit can allege Obama is ineligible to be POTUS because he naturalized as a U.S. Citizen and the Court must proceed with the assumption this statement is true.
After a complaint and summons are served on the defendant(s), the defendant(s) must answer or respond. An answer must have a denial of all allegations because any allegation not denied remains to be true and will be ruled as a fact. A response is generally a motion to dismiss. A response, generally, does not affirm or deny allegations because the defendant wants the case dismiss without an answer. If the case is dismissed, the allegations are reduced to unfounded claims.
So, there you have it. Obama, OBOTS and ConcernedFreepers demand proof be provided before anything can proceed; meanwhile, Obama uses the Privacy Act to ensure no proof of his ineligibility sees the light of day. Ironically, proof before trail is not necessary to file a civil suit. Proof is obtained in the discovery process if the case survives a responsive pleading.
With the exception of the GA Ballot Challenge, no eligibility case has made it to discovery. In the GA Ballot Challenge, Obama ignored discovery requests and the plaintiffs chose not to accept a default judgement. Without verified, certified and authenticated proof of ineligibility, the judge ruled Obama was eligible. Unfortunately, the plaintiffs did not know the allegations in the complaint would have been found to be facts if a default judgment had been issued.
Don’t forget the bullet that went into Lou Dobbs living room.
Yes, and the burning of Sarah Palin’s Church. Set fire with people in the building.
No one ever caught or charged.
What about the residency requirement for the mom?
Wasn’t she too young to convey citizenship?
And what if she gave birth at an unwed moms facility across the border in Canada?
Would the above make the child non citizen?
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Ping.
Check out # 68 , then # 76 .
Thanks danamco, and GregNH.
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