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Waco 20 Years Later: The ATF Raid
Fox 4 ^ | 2/25/13 | Richard Ray

Posted on 02/27/2013 8:47:19 AM PST by Sybeck1

Edited on 02/27/2013 9:42:50 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

February 28, 1993, a raid by agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms sparked the biggest firefight in the history of American law enforcement and continued debate 20 years later. Two agents who were there say the disastrous raid led to fundamental changes in ATF.


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To: Sybeck1
 photo LAW_zps7753a0ef.jpg Easier to burn them than explain the government crimes...
61 posted on 02/27/2013 10:03:14 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Oberon

“What happened to the doors? They were being held for evidence, but then they disappeared.”

And then someone suggested comparing fired rifle cases to the chambers of FBI sniper rifles (you know, Lou’s gun).

But, Oh My, they were getting worn out and they had all been sent out to be re-barreled.

How far do you have to travel away from DC to find even one molecule of truth?


62 posted on 02/27/2013 10:09:25 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Charles Martel

The BATF and the FBI refused permission to outside experts that offered to examine guns retrieved at the scene, which causes me to doubt that any full auto conversions had taken place. I watched both the House and Senate hearings on the event and I do not recall any evidence of 50 caliber weapons or live grenades. It was mentioned that some dummy grenades were in the building, but the only live grenades were ATF grenades that had not exploded after being thrown in. I think I have scene all the live footage that has ever been made available of the initial raid and there were no grenades exploding outside the building. Too bad the government could not find the tapes from the four or five video cameras that the BATF had running when the raid started.


63 posted on 02/27/2013 10:11:31 AM PST by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: Sybeck1

M-1Tanks.....Combat Engineer Vehicles.....Bradley Fighting Vehicles.....against Americans with children in America? The Clintons and Janet Reno were going to show America that the government wasn’t afraid to use combat equipment against gun owners. It didn’t work out like they planned.


64 posted on 02/27/2013 10:17:33 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: driftdiver

Photos of children that were crushed to death by a tank. and CS gas torture were viewed in the hearings.
I remember Sonny Bono and other Congress members crying at pictures of these poor children.
Things to come people.... Things to come.. The thing is, this as well as Ruby Ridge, did not need to happen... The government forces could have waited them out....


65 posted on 02/27/2013 10:20:27 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Sherman Logan

Really? “..., should not blind us to the fact that Koresh was a pretty bad guy. Not unlike Warren Jeffs of the FLDS or Jim Jones...”

What was it that Koresh had done that makes him a ‘really bad guy’ in your opinion?


66 posted on 02/27/2013 10:23:40 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: ctdonath2

don’t forget about the New Orleans gun confiscations.


67 posted on 02/27/2013 10:33:55 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (lock and load)
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To: Sybeck1

since no one else mentioned it. Let’s not forget we have the recording of the 911 call by Koresh at the beginning. That is damning to the gov’t’s lies about the start of it.


68 posted on 02/27/2013 10:36:09 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (lock and load)
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To: Sybeck1

That was no firefight - it was a mass assassination by the government.


69 posted on 02/27/2013 10:38:20 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

That was my thought when I read his post.

He was accused of molesting children which makes him worse then a bad guy. He becomes a despicable evil monster deserving instant death IMHO.
He never had his day in court and that bothers me. I could step over that and ignore it expect for the little fact that over 30? children and about 100 other people were exucuted for something David may or may not have done.


70 posted on 02/27/2013 10:56:22 AM PST by winodog (Thank you Jesus for the calm in my life)
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To: MeganC; Sybeck1

...and let’s not forget those native tribes.probably dwarfs the (un)civil war.


71 posted on 02/27/2013 11:07:47 AM PST by jimjohn
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To: svcw
Oh, well instead of burning alive they were chocked to death......


Owww.

72 posted on 02/27/2013 11:26:53 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Sybeck1

since no one else mentioned it. Let’s not forget we have the recording of the 911 call by Koresh at the beginning. That is damning to the gov’t’s lies about the start of it.


73 posted on 02/27/2013 11:32:55 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (lock and load)
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To: winodog

The problem is that those accusations, which were made by a disgruntled member in a power struggle, were investigated throroughly by local police and social services and they were dismissed as unfounded.

EXPECT that the media, and the government are lying to you, and falsely accusing people. Then if it ever comes to a court case, and a jury (not a judge) shows it to be true, you can be pleasantly surprised that for at least once they did not lie.


74 posted on 02/27/2013 11:39:10 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (disinformation lives)
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To: Sybeck1

I remember seeing the dead, melted, molten corpses of adults and children in the aftermath, before the pics were scrubbed & sanitized from the record. The MEs ID’d 95% of them, and guessed at the rest. It was just awful.


75 posted on 02/27/2013 11:39:41 AM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: Charles Martel

Chief Dan George to Clint Eastwood in “The Outlaw Josey Wales”. :-)


76 posted on 02/27/2013 11:51:49 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Gaffer

We need to eliminate that entire fascist organization.


77 posted on 02/27/2013 11:52:46 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Starstruck

Actually, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are larger mass murder events in US History.

This is the largest authorized and carried out by our own government against our own people.

And I don’t see how this one agent can say the windows of the surburban was falling on them, when the video they show in the interview shows the windows INTACT. LIARS.


78 posted on 02/27/2013 12:13:13 PM PST by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: ro_dreaming

How many killed in Waco.

In the battle of Blair mountain. About 100 killed. Logan county wva sheriff and his coal mine company paid army shot it out with union coal miners. 30 of the deaths on the Logan defender side (sheriffs deputies).


79 posted on 02/27/2013 12:26:54 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Pikachu_Dad; Sherman Logan

“What was it that Koresh had done that makes him a ‘really bad guy’ in your opinion?”

It’s my understanding the child molestation charges were fabricated by Janet Reno.

They had no evidence of any crime.


80 posted on 02/27/2013 12:36:54 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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