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Veterans are receiving letters from VA prohibiting the ownership or purchase of firearms
RedFlagNews.com ^ | Feb 21, 2013 | Michael Connelly, J.D.

Posted on 02/21/2013 8:00:07 PM PST by wesagain

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs?

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, .............

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1 posted on 02/21/2013 8:00:16 PM PST by wesagain
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To: wesagain

It looks like the folks who have filed for disability for PTSD (etc) may be losing their gun rights, eh?


2 posted on 02/21/2013 8:04:01 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Kinda crazy. This will lead to the civilian population too. PTSD is pretty ugly so hopefully once they are “cured” they will get the privilege back. I think this is a slippery slope but I would imagine that if the Vet gave up the 100 percent disability money they could rescind the letter.
3 posted on 02/21/2013 8:15:48 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: wesagain
When there is no justice there is no law. Anarchy reigns.
4 posted on 02/21/2013 8:18:10 PM PST by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: wesagain

Patently unconstitutional (regardless if good idea or bad).


5 posted on 02/21/2013 8:22:30 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: napscoordinator
they will get the privilege back

What privilege are you talking about?

6 posted on 02/21/2013 8:23:20 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: napscoordinator
Kinda crazy. This will lead to the civilian population too. PTSD is pretty ugly so hopefully once they are “cured” they will get the privilege back. I think this is a slippery slope but I would imagine that if the Vet gave up the 100 percent disability money they could rescind the letter.

Are you a complete idiot?

8 posted on 02/21/2013 8:26:08 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

I do not think a letter overrides the second amendment


9 posted on 02/21/2013 8:28:32 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: blam
This is ominous. He goes on to suggest those on social security could get a letter preventing them from buying or owning a firearm because they are OLD.

So, how do they get the guns from the old people? If they knew the old people had them, then they could withhold their social security check until they turned in their guns. Some states now that require a gun to be registered, would provide the data base for that state and the feds would stop those SS checks until the guns were turned in.

In states where guns are not registered, how would they know which old people had them and how many they had?

Never register a gun. When you pass 65, if that is the age limit, you could lose your guns or your check.

Hussein wants our guns and he will make “rules” to get them.

10 posted on 02/21/2013 8:30:46 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: DBeers

No but it sure sounds like the VA has the control right now. I guess you think your little statement is going to change what is going on.....maybe you are the complete idiot. I see you are really changing things....ROTFLMAO.


11 posted on 02/21/2013 8:30:52 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

There’s a difference between a privilege and a right.


12 posted on 02/21/2013 8:34:24 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Fine. Right then. I still think it is a slippery slope. I guess you guys think this is just grand. I find it rather a bad thing.


13 posted on 02/21/2013 8:35:48 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: wesagain
Sic semper tyrannis
14 posted on 02/21/2013 8:36:28 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: napscoordinator
OK so just how many persons do you actually know with PTSD? I've sat in therapy sessions with a couple of combat Vets with it and I would trust them fully. I'd hunt with or target practice any time with them. PTSD doesn't mean a person is a risk to others or even self in most cases.

I've had it myself from some events in my life that weren't pleasant ones in a fairly short time. I got help. This policy will do nothing but discourage persons from getting help. Furthermore without substancial evidence they violate the VETS Constitutional Rights and due process.

15 posted on 02/21/2013 8:36:38 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: wesagain

Well, here it is.

I believe the FFL forms one fills out during gun purchases asks if one has ever been “adjudicated” mentally ill - that is, found mentally ill by the preponderance of evidence in a judicial detention or commitment hearing. Such hearings are only held, as far as I know from having testified in them in a number of states, when the person is suspected - because of a mental illness - of presenting an immanent and substantial danger to self or others, or to be “gravely disabled,” i.e. unable to meet basic needs for food, clothing and shelter.

That a Federal bureaucracy such as the VA, based on mere review of records, presumes to bypass this whole judicial process, and thus deprive due process rights to the very vets who have come to them for help, is, if true, extremely disturbing.


16 posted on 02/21/2013 8:38:57 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: napscoordinator

Oh, Coordinator of Naps...the 2nd amendment is an unalienable right and NOT a privledge.

But I get your drift.

Looks like no one who values the Bill of Rights should expect fair treatment from the government, especially if expecting an entitlement.


17 posted on 02/21/2013 8:40:14 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: cva66snipe

I know a few who have PTSD (no I did not sit in therapy sessions). I do know that they are receiving monthly payments for PTSD. This is how the VA is getting around this....they are giving money and OF COURSE they are attaching conditions on continuing the money. Oh they won’t come out and say that but I guarantee that this is their goal or desires.


18 posted on 02/21/2013 8:46:02 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: SatinDoll

That was when we were under the Constitution, my FRiend. That was before the majority of those that vote decided they would rather live as slaves dependent upo the Government to wipe their collective asses than to live as free responsible citizens.


19 posted on 02/21/2013 8:47:49 PM PST by sport
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To: SatinDoll

You are 1 MILLION percent correct!!!!! You are the ONLY one who gets it!!!!!!


20 posted on 02/21/2013 8:49:21 PM PST by napscoordinator
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