Massacre day
Posted on 01/30/2013 8:20:05 AM PST by RummyChick
NEWTOWN, Conn. — The gunfire ended; it was so quiet they could hear the broken glass and bullet casings scraping under their boots. The smell of gunpowder filled the air. The officers turned down their radios; they did not want to give away their positions if there was still a gunman present.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
I don’t believe there is an official narrative yet.
And they could both be wrong.
The narrative that you are being sold is the official narrative at this point.
Uncle Chip has to warp the facts so much that Lanza had to kill Soto, leaving kids to escape and lots of time to go by as someone drove their car to Sandy Hook and got out and talked to another Mom, and then he goes back and shoots the dead people again as the cops rushed down the hall...before he killed himself.
I don’t believe that stupid story.
He was on a shooting spree. He is not standing around for 10 minutes in Soto’s room.
There is nothing to indicate that is what took place. It’s just a insane mess that Uncle Chip has to spew in order for Creepy Gene’s story to hold up...and even then it still doesn’t hold up because some kids of that class that were running down the road were taken to the police station- not Creepy Gene’s house.
Since your description of “Uncle Chip’s” narrative doesn’t sound like anything I have heard or read anywhere, even in Uncle Chip’s posts, I simply cannot comment on it.
But if you are arguing that children didn’t escape Soto’s room, it is clear they did. At least one kid has said they did so while the gunman was shooting Soto.
if you are arguing that it is impossible that the kids ran down the street and ended up at Gene’s house, it seems most narratives say the kids were running down the street, and that would put them by Gene’s house.
The question is whether Gene came out and invited them in, and I see no way that the timeline of the shooting is related to that question.
If you are wondering why the “someone” was driving their car to the school already, I believe they were coming to school for a purpose, NOT because of the shooting, so that also doesn’t seem to shed any light on the timeline of the shooting.
I doubt Uncle Chip has ever suggested the gunman stood for 10 minutes in a room, as the entire timeline as presented by the 911 calls wouldn’t really support that, and I’ve not seen UC argue against the 911 timeline.
I also don’t understand your projection of animus against Uncle Chip.
As to your last point, while I speak only in conjecture, it is possible for kids to have gone to Gene’s house, and then have been taken to the police station. They are not mutually exclusive possibilities.
What WOULD be a mutually exclusive possibility would be a parent picking up their child at Gene’s, AND picking up the same child at the police station.
So, if you find one named child where Gene says that child was picked up by their parents, and then find the same child referenced as being picked up at the police station, that would be an excellent refutation of Gene’s story.
As I said, I don’t care about Gene’s story because it is sufficiently detailed that if it is a lie, that lie will be easily seen when the official reports come out.
I don’t believe the shootings happened, and I won’t believe anything that is covered by the mainstream media ever again.
They are creating an alternative universe. I am not going to be a victim of marketing.
Uncle Chip has warped his facts all over the place
Sometimes he claims that the police weren’t on scene when Lanza shot up Soto’s class.
Sometimes he claims they were there in 3 minutes.
Sometimes he claims that Lanza shot up Soto’s class, the kids left, had time to run down the road to be seen by his witness,.then the witness has to park her car, walk to the front of the building, talk to another mom - no cop cars present...it eerily quiet ...and then Lanza sees the cops shoots the dead kids and Soto again and then himself.
Don’t know how the cops got there since there are no cop cars at the time that witness said she was in front of the door.
NOT BELIEVABLE
Other times he claims they throughly searched the car in front of the school including trunk before they went inside to find Lanza shooting up the school- except his witness says nothing about any cop cars.
His stories are a mish mash depending on what he is trying to claim.
I have seen various video interviews by Robert Licata...father of the boy who escaped.
His group got picked up by someone as they were fleeing and went to the police station. They didn’t stop off at Creepy Gene’s for juice and playtime with the stuffed animals.
This narrative DOES NOT FIT with Creepy Gene.
No one backs up Creepy Gene’s story and he hasn’t released any names of the six who were in his house playing with his toys.
Oh, and the first officers on the scene say nothing about kids fleeing as they are rushing Lanza.
There is a lot here that doesn’t add up.
Time will tell MAYBE what went on...
but in the meantime, NOT ONE STORY IS BACKING CREEPY GENE.
If you are going to mention me in your post I would appreciate the courtesy of a ping —
You might be interested in this.
http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Peter-Botti-faces-sentencing-in-Shelton-1001682.php
The father and son corrupt family are good friends with Gun Control guy Heslin who is the father of Jesse Lewis.
Oh, and Creepy Gene claims the mother of Lewis came to his house looking for her son because she had heard there were kids that had been there.
This could be true since Creepy Gene was telling everyone that day that he housed 6 kids.
Corrupt Shelton - home of the father of Jesse Lewis
http://www.corruptct.com/corrupt/shelton-called-crooked-corrupt/
If you are going to mention me in your post I would appreciate the courtesy of a ping —
And I do not appreciate you misstating what I write.
If you are incapable citing my precise words, then figure out how to do it, because you are notorious for your misrepresentions of other people’s words and attributing to others things that they never said.
You should take care to distinguish between stories that are cited that make claims, and claims being directly asserted by a poster.
I post a lot of things that are quotes from news stories, it doesn’t mean I am certain they are accurate, or that they reflect my current position.
Here is the story you posted the other day of the first responding officers to the elementary school:
Could you point out in there where they say that they found children in the cabinets in Ms Soto’s room???
This is a perfect setting for these first responding eye witnesses to tell us about that dramatic moment when they opened the cabinet and saw the kids. But it is missing from their account. Why???
They talk about finding the one girl alive among her 14 classmates in the other classroom, but nothing about kids found alive in cabinets in either classroom. Why???
And nothing about kids running out the door when they were there. Why???
I have already posted AT LEAST two accounts of law enforcement saying they found live children in Soto’s room.
In the account you just posted where is the comment about them searching Lanza’s car as you claimed happened before they went into the building???
The eyewitness that you keep relying on says NOTHING about seeing cop cars. The cops were there in under three minutes while the shooter was still shooting.
Also notice there is no mention of seeing Lanza ALIVE in that article you posted. I posted one where they did see Lanza alive and moving.
Tell me when did they search the car AND THE TRUNK and throw out the sweatshirts as you claim before going into that building BEFORE your witness gets there??? And how did she not see cop cars at the front of the building???
The story you have concocted couldn’t have happened...starting with the reckless destruction of a crime scene by throwing out shirts over a car door in front of the trunk.
I am really sick of your posts.
I will be finding you in a few months and laughing in your face over what you claimed happened,.
No -- you posted news writers saying that. They weren't the actual first responders on the scene. These guys are. Why aren't they saying it???
The eyewitness that you keep relying on says NOTHING about seeing cop cars.
It doesn't mean they weren't there. How did they get there -- fly??? -- take the bus??? -- car pool??? Depending upon where and how they were parked they may not have been that noticeable. It's not unusual to see police vehicles at schools -- so they may not have stood out.
But the black vehicle is there in the pics exactly as she described. Everything she said is corroborated by other witnesses, the police dispatch, and these first responders to the scene.
How did she know about the black sweatshirts by the car??? They were not reported by anyone but her -- and voila!!! There they are in the picture as big as life.
Also the mother witness says that she saw 8 to 10 kids running down to the firehouse. That number would mean that all of Soto's remaining kids ran and would easily account for the 6 at Rosen's house, 5 of whom probably taken over to the firehouse, and 2 to 4 picked up further down the road and taken to the police station.
That would explain why the first responding police officers on the scene in the article you posted don't mention them as coming out of the cabinets. They must have been long gone before the police entered the school because they are not even mentioned in the article.
Problem solved -- you're welcome
i am not going through this round robin with you....
you want to claim the cops are bumbling fools who would taint a crime scene by throwing something over a car door and to the front of the car before Lanza is dead..go ahead
in a few months I will be back to laugh in your face.
oh yeah, I need to mention from Chip’s link:
“More than a month later, the officers continue to feel the pain of that day. Some spoke reluctantly, not wanting to compare their torment with the agony of the families of the children and adult victims. But they also worried about their ability to do their jobs, as they continue to suffer. They said they omitted some details out of sensitivity to the victims, and to protect the investigation as it continued. “
Please provide citation where I made such a claim.
You claim that the cops removed “sweatshirt” evidence from inside the car and threw it out the vehicle doors before they went into the school as Lanza was shooting....one piece of evidence lands in front of the vehicle and another piece of evidence lands several feet away to the side
Ask a cop if that is the way you treat a crime scene.
Ask a Prosecutor.
Ask a Defense Lawyer
Your claim makes them bungling fools.
Of course, I doubt they did it..but that is the story you keep telling.
So then you’re lying. I never claimed the police were bumbling fools as you allege.
Lying seems to be a habit for you.
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