Posted on 01/28/2013 7:00:37 PM PST by marktwain
As McIntyre and Dellairo continued to batter Williams and Ramos, Williams broke free and ran to his bedroom, where he armed himself with a .22-caliber handgun equipped with a laser sight. Williams shot McIntyre in the leg then followed him, Dellairo, and the female out of the apartment. While outside the apartment, Dellairo lunged at Williams with a knife. In response, Williams “fired off a couple surprised rounds,” which struck Dellairo’s hip. As the three fled, they entered a vehicle, possibly with a second female. Williams fired two rounds that impacted the vehicle’s trunk in an effort to aid police in identifying the vehicle.
Police caught up with the female, McIntyre and Dellairo at St. Joseph Hospital, where McIntyre was arrested. Dellairo was transported to Eastern Maine Medical Center, where he died of his injuries. The investigation is ongoing and police have yet to release the names of the two females believed to be involved.
What’s the moral to this story? Aside from surmising that a .22-caliber pistol makes a better weapon than an electric guitar, we can deduce that any firearm is capable of turning the tide of a deadly encounter. Of course, without proper training and the will to win, your firearm, regardless of caliber, will be of little benefit. What are your thoughts?
(Excerpt) Read more at gunsandammo.com ...
Looking at getting a Walther P22 for packing under the seat in my car, I travel quite a bit.
Any comments?
Some things cannot be accounted for, do you know the story of Phineas Gage? He had a steel rod driven through his head and survived to die years later. Nine hundred and ninety times out of a thousand a .22 long rifle in the forehead will kill a man. My father used to shoot huge hogs in the forehead with a .22 short which is far less powerful than the LR and I never saw one fail to drop in its tracks. Once I watched as he shot a thousand pound steer the same way with a short and it dropped straight down. One little box of fifty rounds of .22 short that fits in a shirt pocket would kill enough meat to load a semi truck. He actually refused to use a long rifle cartridge, claiming it was too powerful for the job. On the other hand it is amazing how sometimes a person can survive an attack that seems impossible to survive. I knew a man forty years ago who showed me the row of scars across his belly where he was hit with a machine gun blast in Vietnam. The way he described it is that he was almost cut in two. He was on full military disability but unless you had seen his belly you would think he had never been hurt in his life. I saw him do things that most men who had never been hurt could not do.
I agree with both of you, but the gun in your hand beats the most perfect weapon sitting in a case at the gun shop and they were lucky this time. Whatever works.
While the 22 bounced around enough to bleed him out after he ran away a ..40 or .45 would have knocked him down. But anything is better than being unarmed.
I would prefer a high capacity 9mm or .40 cal. or a Glock 10mm or .45. Size is not a big factor for carrying in your car.
I live in a rural area and when I just walk around the woods or my yard I almost always put a little Unique model L in my pocket. It is very reliable and while not powerful, is powerful enough.
If I wanted to use it sort of like a truck gun, it would be a .45 Colt or a .44 mag. A .357 would also do just fine.
Still your .22 would be just fine.
I used to carry a CZ-52 under the seat. I am not sure why but I recently replaced it with a Browning Hi-Power with a 20 round MecGar mag and a 30 round spare.
“Williams’ roommate, 24-year-old Luis Ramos, ran out of his bedroom, armed with an electric guitar...”
“Axe” is a slang term for a guitar, maybe he got confused. At least he was trying and didn’t run out on his roomie.
***** “I think 22s are underrated. My reason is that you can fire 10,000 rounds of 22 ammo without going broke, and there are few substitutes for total confidence that you will hit what you want to hit.” ******
Ditto
Just can’t wait for the ammo to be available again... I want to go back to the Range! ... as it is I hate shooting up what I have, I might need it.
TT
Well, there is my answer.
The Bersa Thunder 32 or Ultra compact Thunder 9 is a better alternative. If you get the Thunder 9 UC put night sights on it.
Ammo has come a long way ... a good CCI 22LR today is nearly the equivalent to yesterdays .38
That being said I dropped a Deer where it stood (35 years ago) with a 22LR ... it’s placement first
TT
I think that is a good choice.
I don’t have a Walter but I have a Ruger SR-22 that I shoot the heck out of.
You can keep it on target and pull as fast as you can.
Pretty accurate at close ranges.
When I find a good 22 magnum revolver with 8 or 9 round cylinder I’m gonna make it a cc gun. For home defense, something that starts with “4” will do nicely, after I empty the SxS buckshot loads.
Any advice for a first time gun owner? I have a springfield XD 9mm sub compact on hold. I know my daughter would never be able to shoot that thing (16 yrs old) I saw a .22 ruger pistol I liked but the gun salesman said it’s not good for home defense. I think it would do just fine and she would be able to handle it if needed. My wife and son and I have shot a 9mm but i want something everyone can be comfy with.
Any thoughts?
“Well, officer, I shot the burglar twice in the @$$ to help aid you in identifying the perp.”
My thoughts exactly! I’m sure the cops coached him on that one...
“.22 is better than nothing, but .45 would have made a shorter story...”
Not necessarily; a .45 will knock you down and stop you, but typically will not completely penetrate bone and most American belly fat, believe it or not.
While a .45 head or heart shot is lethal, a .22 will go clear through you, unless it hits bone and then it will rattle all through you. A .22 LR will do this from 400 yards or more.
In a gun fight, a .22 is no joke.
There is no reason your Daughter should not be able to handle the XD just fine. Start her out with mild loads if you can find them and be sure and wear eye and ear protection.
If you have a relative who is gun savvy and trustworthy have him help her shoot to start with. The recoil is actually not bad at all but most people get a mental block when it kicks them and they remember it is supposed to kick hard they just assume they really got kicked bad.
If you go with a Ruger, I would start with one of the standard models with a 6 inch barrel. They are reliable and have almost no recoil. They are also more accurate than average. There are plenty of other guns which will do as well including Ruger .22 Revolvers. Just always remember the hearing protector. The noise is most of what seems intimidating to a beginner.
Get the 10 commandments of Gun safety and obey them.
The most important one is to always keep the muzzle pointing in a safe direction, Never let it point at anything you would not want to be destroyed.
And soon thereafter his weapon was lost in a spontaneous canoe flip.
Post a pic of your favorite .22!
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.