Criminal charges weighed in Newtown deaths (sandy hook massacre)

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[Uncle Chip]

Who has reported seeing Adam Lanza recently???

In the last month??? It must be the same people who have been seeing Elvis Presley.

[Uncle Chip]

As opposed to the narrative from law enforcement that Adam has been in trouble with the law but can’t be revealed because the juvenile records are sealed.

Never heard of that report.

[RummyChick]

it was reported to Fox that he had a checkered past and was a troubled youth but juvenile records were sealed.

So now let’s get to the gun . Any actual gun experts out there on the
Bushmaster .223 caliber— model XM15-E2S

Are they ALL equipped to handle a 5.56 . Can you jungle tape 5.56 in a Bushmaster and not have it jam up due to pressure.

[Uncle Chip]

do not appreciate the efforts "to educate us"

Isn't that ironic -- a thread on Sandy Hook school where "education" is verboten.

[Uncle Chip]

it was reported to Fox that he had a checkered past and was a troubled youth but juvenile records were sealed.

Another anonymous driveby report without evidence???

[FreedomPoster]

Do you understand the technical differences in the least? I can assure you I do, and as a practical matter for purposes of the discussion regarding Sandy Hook, 5.56 and .223 are interchangeable.

Minutia regarding chamber dimensions, brass thickness, and chamber pressures are not relevant issues here.

[FreedomPoster]

I wrote my previous before seeing your #120. Boy did I ever nail it.

Go read up on the differences. Brass is visually indistinguishable between the two unless you can read a head stamp.

[RummyChick]

They aren’t interchangeable if your gun has only a .223 chamber.

If it is chambered for both then it can handle both.

I have read enough on this in the few minutes to see that if it is only chambered for .223 it can cause a problem.

THEY ARE DIFFERENT CASINGS.

And it is relevant if Vance said they were .223 casings.

[Uncle Chip]

<>556 is not the same as 223<>

“The 223/5.56mm quickly became popular as a civilian cartridge because of the availability of brass, and the chambering of commercial varmint rifles in that caliber”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington

Get an education even though some here don’t want you to.

[RummyChick]

http://www.humanevents.com/2011/02/15/223-remington-vs-556-nato-what-you-dont-know-could-hurt-you/

“ATK, the parent company of ammunition manufacturers Federal Cartridge Company and Speer, published a bulletin entitled “The Difference Between 223 Rem and 5.56 Military Cartridges.” In this bulletin, ATK stated using 5.56 ammo in a .223 rifle could result in “…primer pocket gas leaks, blown cartridge case heads, and gun functioning issues.” “

[Iscool]

I just came across the Mike Powers interview that you referenced earlier...Totally fascinating...I would recommend every one listen to it...All of it...It's long but worth the listen...

Mike Powers-Sandy Hook

[RummyChick]

“However, ATK dropped this bomb in the bulletin on the .223/5.56:

“It is our understanding that commercially available AR15’s and M16’s – although some are stamped 5.56 Rem on the receiver – are manufactured with .223 chambers.”

So, even if your AR is stamped 5.56, is it really? Check your owner’s manual or call the company directly and make sure you get an answer you feel comfortable with.”

http://www.humanevents.com/2011/02/15/223-remington-vs-556-nato-what-you-dont-know-could-hurt-you/

[Uncle Chip]

Does he still have the part in there about there being no broken window in the front of the school or has he taken that out yet???

[RummyChick]

YOU get an education.
.223 IS NOT THE SAME THING as 5.56

http://le.atk.com/downloads/technical_bulletins/223VS556.pdf

[Iscool]

If you listen to the Mike Powers tape, you will know that it was the police who shattered that pane of glass...Another thing I learned is that there is talk of demolishing the school...Just as they demolished Osama Bin Laden's house in Pakistan within 72 hours of his supposed death, and the Murrah office building and the buildings at Waco...

[RummyChick]

“All Bushmaster rifles are chambered to accept 5.56mm ammunition and always have been. The NATO Spec 5.56mm chambers have a longer “leade” or throat than the SAAMI Spec .223 caliber chambers which have about half of the leade or throat of the 5.56mm chambering. While it is safe to fire both 5.56mm and .223 caliber ammunition in our rifles, the 5.56mm ammunition should not be fired in rifles chambered in .223 caliber as they will develop very high pressures.”

http://www.bushmaster.com/faqs/afmmain.aspx?faqid=62

So , did Vance say if .223 or 5.56 casings were on the scene

[Iscool]

Does he still have the part in there about there being no broken window in the front of the school or has he taken that out yet???

Yep, he says initially the window wasn't broken...Says there's a picture/video of it and it has been confirmed/documented that the window was broken by the police to gain entry...

Had the window not been broken by Lanza, the police would not be able to get in without breaking the glass...The police stated that numerous doors and windows were smashed to gain entry by the police...

I have no problem with Powers' statement...

[Uncle Chip]

Folgers coffee is not Maxwell House coffee, but they both fit into my Mr Coffee and brew good cups of coffee.

[Uncle Chip]

And it is relevant if Vance said they were .223 casings.

Where has he said anything about casings yet???

[RummyChick]

Given that the Ammo manufacturer says that there are problems with shooting a military ammo 5.56 out of a 2.23 chamber - I suggest they know more than you.

Even Bushmaster says it is an issue.