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The Hitler gun control lie
Salon.com ^ | 11 January 2013 | Alex Seitz-Wald

Posted on 01/19/2013 4:14:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps

This week, people were shocked when the Drudge Report posted a giant picture of Hitler over a headline speculating that the White House will proceed with executive orders to limit access to firearms. The proposed orders are exceedingly tame, but Drudge’s reaction is actually a common conservative response to any invocation of gun control.

The NRA, Fox News, Fox News (again), Alex Jones, email chains, Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher, Gun Owners of America, etc., all agree that gun control was critical to Hitler’s rise to power. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (“America’s most aggressive defender of firearms ownership”) is built almost exclusively around this notion, popularizing posters of Hitler giving the Nazi salute next to the text: “All in favor of ‘gun control’ raise your right hand.”

In his 1994 book, NRA head Wayne LaPierre dwelled on the Hitler meme at length, writing: “In Germany, Jewish extermination began with the Nazi Weapon Law of 1938, signed by Adolf Hitler.”

And it makes a certain amount of intuitive sense: If you’re going to impose a brutal authoritarian regime on your populace, better to disarm them first so they can’t fight back.

Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1938; alexseitzwald; banglist; germany; guncontrol; hitler; obama; salon; saloncom; secondamendment; seitzwald
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To: Army Air Corps

You had to know if you lived long enough, you see the democrats try to rehabilitate Hitler’s image...

Says the left: “Poor Hitler, he was just misunderstood...why no, we aren’t copyin hid exact policies and behavior....”


41 posted on 01/19/2013 5:36:50 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Army Air Corps
"the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute."

Actually it sounds to me like an argument for reducing restrictions on private weapons ownership, and ensuring that a large percentage of the civilian population is armed and trained in resistance tactics.

That and more solid intelligence about what the government planned, which suggests requiring more citizen access to government information and a more unbiased media, may well have changed the course of history in Europe.

42 posted on 01/19/2013 5:44:37 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Sir Napsalot

The really poor aspect if the argument is that no one, him included probably, wants Naziesque policing (if we don’t have it already) or public works (when not made in the interest of football). Okay, maybe the highways. But have you eve seen models for future cities of the Thousand Year Reich? They make Egyptians appear modest in comparison.

There’s a reason when we complain about cops we refer to “gestapo tactics” and “jackbooted thugs.” What the author should’ve asked was should we drop compulsory education, animal rights, or something else both Hitler and most Americans believe in, just because they existed in Nazi Germany. He’s a bad writer is what I’m saying.


43 posted on 01/19/2013 5:46:37 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: TigersEye
Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning?

Yes. Agenda 21

44 posted on 01/19/2013 5:49:54 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Tublecane
It means something to me, of course, though I wouldn’t say Obama is responsible persay.

You obviously didn't read the article then.

45 posted on 01/19/2013 5:51:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: MileHi

Exactly!


46 posted on 01/19/2013 5:52:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Army Air Corps

“Alex Seitz-Wald”. I’ll add his name to the list.


47 posted on 01/19/2013 6:02:03 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

More meme-building by the Partisan Media Shills.

Thanks Army Air Corps.


48 posted on 01/19/2013 6:03:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: TigersEye

“You obviously didn’t read the article the”

What article? The one this thread is about doesn’t touch upon that topic, except to vaguely reference urban planning.


49 posted on 01/19/2013 6:12:19 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

The article I linked to in post #10 which addressed urban planning and 0bama’s role in it.


50 posted on 01/19/2013 6:18:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Call it the “Hitler gun-control lie” lie.


51 posted on 01/19/2013 6:49:47 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: TigersEye

“Apparently it’s possible to attain almost any scholastic degree without even a small child’s understanding of cause and effect. All phenomena are entirely isolated events. You may have knocked that glass over but that has nothing to do with the water on the floor. “

I believe they call this post-modernism.


52 posted on 01/19/2013 7:02:05 PM PST by txjeep
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To: Army Air Corps
“As for Stalin,” Bartov continued, “the very idea of either gun control or the freedom to bear arms would have been absurd to him.

I don't know if this Bartov putz is dishonest or just ignorant but the Soviets were more than just Stalin and they DID demand their citizens turn-in their weapons.


53 posted on 01/19/2013 7:07:54 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: Army Air Corps

Another direct hit by Drudge.


54 posted on 01/19/2013 7:11:09 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Army Air Corps

This is the same nonesense from the Left when they claimed that Israeli teachers aren’t armed because of school shootings but they are and Israel classes school shootings as terrorism.

They tried to claim this was false when it is fact.

It is also a fact that Hitler was for gun control, he took them from the Jews, tightening the law and making it virtually impossible to get a firearm unless you were a Nazi Party elite. There were “fit and proper” persons tests under the 1938 law.


55 posted on 01/19/2013 7:16:42 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning?

Now that you mention it, urban planners are some of the most Lefty, totalitarian dreamers I know. So, yes, it does.

56 posted on 01/19/2013 7:19:01 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning?

Now that you mention it, urban planners are some of the most Lefty, totalitarian dreamers I know. So, yes, it does.

57 posted on 01/19/2013 7:19:09 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: TigersEye

I think it DOES indict urban planning. Oh yeah, idiot libs think it worked. Of course, “they” never go into those areas and instead hide in their gated, guarded communities.


58 posted on 01/19/2013 7:24:55 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: Army Air Corps

The Obamabots have to rewrite history; and, of course, THEY’RE going to be THE ELITES in the 40 yr. reign of the Obamanists. They’re, after all, the INTELLIGENTSIA and the Obama Administration “wouldn’t” do anything to THEM, because they’ve been such good little soldiers in the thrust to destroy that “evillll” Constitution. THIS TIME, with them in charge, SOCIALISM IS GOING TO TRIUMPH!!


59 posted on 01/19/2013 7:50:29 PM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: TigersEye

Yes, to both. I hear a lot of nutty things from liberals on a regular basis, but this guy decided to write it down and publish it to the World Wide Web. What a nutter.


60 posted on 01/19/2013 7:54:08 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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