Marco Rubio Outlines Elements of His New Immigration Plan

New York Times ^ | 01/18/2013 | Julia Preston

[SeekAndFind]

Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, a Republican who is on a talking tour to publicize his proposals for an immigration overhaul, said on Thursday that tighter enforcement at the borders and in workplaces would be central to his plan, which would also offer legal status to millions of illegal immigrants.

In a meeting in New York with reporters and editors of The New York Times, Mr. Rubio said that any broad immigration legislation should create a nationwide exit system to check foreigners out of the country, to confirm that they left before their visas expired. He noted that at least 40 percent of an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country came on legal visas but then overstayed.

Mr. Rubio said he would also insist on a nationwide program for employers to verify the legal authorization of new workers, although he did not specify whether he would favor an expansion of an existing federal electronic worker verification program or seek to create a new one.

Mr. Rubio, 41, the conservative son of blue-collar Cuban exiles who won his Senate seat in 2010 with support from the Tea Party, has been shaking up the Republican Party’s immigration politics with his proposals to offer legal status and eventually American citizenship to immigrants here illegally. Since the November elections, many Republican leaders have said the party should find an alternative to the policy of “self-deportation” for illegal immigrants, which turned many Latino voters away from the party’s presidential candidate, Mitt Romney.

On Monday, Mr. Romney’s running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, shifted to Mr. Rubio’s approach, endorsing the senator’s principles and saying the two would work together on immigration legislation. On Wednesday, Bill O’Reilly, the conservative media personality, added his endorsement, telling Mr. Rubio he liked his program.

[posterchild]

He noted that at least 40 percent of an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country came on legal visas but then overstayed.

I've known a large number of people who worked illegally in the US but still followed the schedule terms of their tourist/laser visas and went home to visit every 6 months or what ever the term was.

They didn't 'overstay' but were either working illegally with no tax reporting or they used fake identities.

I hope they aren't getting amnesty either.

[Aetius]

I was thinking really only in terms of ending chain migration, and how if it’s limited to spouses, minor children, and elderly parents, then those elderly parents would not (in most cases) be able to sponsor anyone else.

But yes, you’re right about the SS and Medicare. I agree.

[Little Ray]

You are right. Ending chain migration is an absolute necessity.

[Pelham]

Fred Barnes and Hugh Hewitt are carrying water for the Treason Lobby tonight. You’ll never hear the word ‘Deportation’ from this crowd, because their one goal is to get amnesty through by calling it something else.

Basically it’s going to be a replay of the battle we had with Bush, but this time it will be Rubio, Ryan and Obama representing the interests of foreign nationals against Americans who want them shipped back to their own countries. Man, do I ever despise rinos.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Basically it’s going to be a replay of the battle we had with Bush, but this time it will be Rubio, Ryan and Obama representing the interests of foreign nationals against Americans who want them shipped back to their own countries. Man, do I ever despise rinos.”

As far back as the Ryan medicare plan Spring 2011 I been pointing out how skeptical I am of him. I was a lone voice until recently.

If I had Ryan trapped on camera where I could put him on the spot and ask him what his proof is that ANY legalized illegals would support his (Ryans) proposals from 2011, cuts in medicare and privatization of it for those under 55 paired with tax cuts for billionaires (errr job creators). Tell me why I should believe his new citizens will support this package and not just vote Dem instead for free $$$.

Likewise ask any R in congress why you should believe that illegals would support all the similar policies they claim they are for, upper end tax cuts, cuts in poverty programs, and cuts in entitlements for those outside the GOP base age ~ 55.(Note that the business roundtable supports both amnesty and Ryan's 2011 ideas that are toxic to Dems)

Colin Powell was on the Morning Joe Monday supporting him on Rs going with O on immigration and guns.

If Rs insist on amnesty to get Hispanic votes then they must now argue that the party must more like Dems officially, as Morning Joe and Powell are doing. So they should admit that is what they are up to.

BTW : Romney was toxic to Hispanics, RINO or not. And you know he would have went for amnesty.

[LibFreeUSA]

"The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens."

No. That is NOT TRUE! If you really believe this (that this is what the "proponents of amnesty are wont to create"), then you have fallen into the 'bait' of why there is NO resolution to this issue. That is what 'they' want you to believe.

Here is the problem.

While you say that ..."we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship."..and that. "Attrition through enforcement works"

The reality of the situation is that EACH DAY nothing gets done or enforced, more and more illegals are coming in (staying in), and having more babies, and worsening the situation.

One side is adamant TO NOT allow ANY "amnesty", while the daily illegal streaming continues unabated.

The other side is CONTENT to not GET ANYTHING DONE and letting the daily illegal streaming continue (while saying that they WANT something done / see Obama's 1st 4 years).

YOU NEED THE "VOTES" TO "TURN THE FAUCET OFF", and Rubio is trying to do that!

YOUR proposals, while gallant, do nothing to get the VOTES to turn the faucet off! Which keeps us right where we are!

[LibFreeUSA]

"Basically it’s going to be a replay of the battle we had with Bush"

So, your plan then is to keep things the way they are. No compromise (so let's keep the illegals coming daily)!

We don't have the votes to have everything the way we want it. We are losing the battles, and pretty soon we will lose the war if we continue to act so politically foolish, without coming up with a plan to 'turn the faucet off' on illegals coming in and staying here. We don't have the Senate, and the Presidency, so you're content to let illegals keep coming in with no enforcement as is the case now... for the next 4 years un-interrupted.

[kabar]

No. That is NOT TRUE! If you really believe this (that this is what the "proponents of amnesty are wont to create"), then you have fallen into the 'bait' of why there is NO resolution to this issue. That is what 'they' want you to believe.

YES, IT IS TRUE. The amnesty proponents want to create the strawman choice of blanket amnesty or mass deportation. They like to conjure up images of the Holocaust in terms of deportation. Rail cars or trucks lined up with illegal aliens. George Will on Sunday said that he had figured out the number of buses it would take to deport all the illegals. They would stretch from coast to coast.

I am a member of a grassroots immigration organization that lobbies on the Hill and in Richmond. I have been doing this for almost six years. Those in favor of amnesty say that there is no way we can deport all the illegals, hence we must legalize their status. It is an either/or proposition ignoring such things as attrition thru enforcement.

The reality of the situation is that EACH DAY nothing gets done or enforced, more and more illegals are coming in (staying in), and having more babies, and worsening the situation.

Why is nothing getting done? Do you think Obama is going to enforce our laws after he gets his amnesty? Why can't we have enforcement first? Today, Obama will say that he wants amnesty now and that the border is under control. As an aside, even if the border was under control, that doesn't address the 40% of illegals who entered legally and overstayed their visas.

Many states are cracking down on illegals. SCOTUS upheld the AZ law on mandatory E-verify. Parts of AZ 1070 were upheld and being impelemented in Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, etc.

One side is adamant TO NOT allow ANY "amnesty", while the daily illegal streaming continues unabated. The other side is CONTENT to not GET ANYTHING DONE and letting the daily illegal streaming continue (while saying that they WANT something done / see Obama's 1st 4 years).

Illegal entry is down primarily due to our poor economy. Mexico has a lower unemployment rate than the US. India and China have become two of the largest sources of illegal immigrants. George Bush was actually worse than Obama when it comes to immigration and the enforcement of our laws. Don't forget that amnesty (Hagel-Martinez) passed in the Rep-controlled Senate in 2006.

Motivated by parochial self-interest, the pro-mass immigration, open borders, amnesty advocates have formed a powerful coalition including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, labor union leaders, the Catholic Church, ethnic and racial groups, “moderate” Republicans, and the Democrat Party. The common thread that unites these groups is power, money, and the prospect of increased constituencies, even at the expense of our long-term national interests and survival.

YOU NEED THE "VOTES" TO "TURN THE FAUCET OFF", and Rubio is trying to do that!

VOTES FROM WHOM TO DO WHAT? DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL ENFORCE OUR LAWS AFTER AN AMNESTY IS PASSED. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HAPPENED IN 1986 WITH THE SIMPSON-MAZZOLI AMNESTY.

This is another case of Charlie Brown and the football. The Reps fall for it every time. It is like raising taxes now and cutting spending later. Let's have more enforcement now before any amnesty is considered. The 1986 amnesty was supposed to be the first and only one. Now we are talking about a second amnesty. Once that is passed, more illegals will enter for the third one. When you reward something, you get more of it.

Rubio is just rehashing the McCain-Kennedy amnesty. It is pure political pandering and it will destroy this country along with the GOP. Do you really think most of the GOP base will support amnesty?

YOUR proposals, while gallant, do nothing to get the VOTES to turn the faucet off! Which keeps us right where we are!

Rubio's proposal will destroy this country. What is the urgency of legalizing the status of illegal aliens? They are already here. And if the truth be known, our legal immigration policies amount to an amnesty every 10 years. The last decade ending in 2010 was the highest in our history in terms of legal immigrants--13.9 million. During that same period we had a net loss of jobs of 400,000. Immigrants are disproportionately on welfare, food stamps, etc. They are less educated, which means they will receive more in government benefits than they pay in taxes. At least half of the illegal aliens lack even a high school degree. Do we really need to legalize millions more high school dropouts?

And Rubio wants to double the number of H1B visas. In the past, the cry was that immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do. That affected blue collar workers. Now, it is about bringing in immigrants to do jobs Americans can't do. This is insanity in a country that has 23 million Americans looking for fulltime employment.

[Cubs Fan]

The crazy idea to round all the illegals up and send them back is the most childish immature bunch of silliness I ever heard so spare some of us with this crap.

and the crazy idea to round up all the tax cheats and make them pay is childish and immature. Wait no, the IRS tries to do that all the time.

and the crazy idea to round up all those who don't pay their parking tickets and make them pay is childish and immature. Wait no, the government tries to do that all the time.

You let all that happen without a peep. But when it comes to illegal alien scofflaws being held accountable that's when you complain. So look who's really immature and childish. yeah, it was you all along, wasn't it? dumbass.

[Cubs Fan]

The crazy idea to round all the illegals up and send them back is the most childish immature bunch of silliness I ever heard so spare some of us with this crap.

and the crazy idea to round up all the tax cheats and make them pay is childish and immature. Wait no, the IRS tries to do that all the time.

and the crazy idea to round up all those who don't pay their parking tickets and make them pay is childish and immature. Wait no, the government tries to do that all the time.

You let all that happen without a peep. But when it comes to illegal alien scofflaws being held accountable that's when you complain. So look who's really immature and childish. yeah, it was you all along, wasn't it? dumbass.

[LibFreeUSA]

"attrition thru enforcement."

That's a nice 'idea'..... how many "votes" do you have for such a plan?

If we get 60 Republicans in the Senate, PLUS a Republican President, with a Republican House, I see that being passed. In the meantime, what happens????

[LibFreeUSA]

"Rubio is just rehashing the McCain-Kennedy amnesty. It is pure political pandering and it will destroy this country along with the GOP. Do you really think most of the GOP base will support amnesty?

So, i suppose it's better to have nothing done, all the while they keep coming in with no enforcement being done, once they are here! Great!! Hold on to your "principles" while the country slides into the abyss!!!!

[kabar]

that's a nice 'idea'..... how many "votes" do you have for such a plan?

We have the laws and many of the states are implementing their own version. It has to start at the state level because the Feds are not going to do it. It is working in AZ. In fact, it is working so well that a bunch of mayors from Sonora complained that the AZ laws were causing too many people to return to Mexico impacting their schools and other public facilities.

Mexico is angry

Attrition Through Enforcement: A Workable Plan

[kabar]

So, i suppose it's better to have nothing done, all the while they keep coming in with no enforcement being done, once they are here! Great!! Hold on to your "principles" while the country slides into the abyss!!!!

The first rule for a doctor should be the same for a legislator, i.e., first, do no harm. An amnesty would be far more damaging in both the short term and the long term than not legalizing the status of the 12 to 20 million lawbreakers. I have given you just some of the impact that would have on our country. Personally, I believe it would destroy this country with the stroke of a pen.

That government you trust so much, says that the border is under control and that the number of illegals has been decreasing since 2007.

“It is unlikely that the unauthorized immigrant population increased after 2007 given relatively high U.S. unemployment, improved economic conditions in Mexico, record low numbers of apprehensions of unauthorized immigrants at U.S. borders, and greater levels of border enforcement,” the demographers said in their report.

Of the current illegal population, only 14 percent have entered the U.S. since 2005. That means the vast majority have been in the country for years, putting down the kinds of roots that immigrant-rights advocates say should earn them the chance to achieve citizenship. Those favoring stricter enforcement balk at that, however, saying it amounts to rewarding those who have broken the law the longest.

[Pelham]

No, my ignorant friend, leaving things the same isn’t “my plan”.

I want to see the current law enforced. That means that citizens of other countries who decided to ignore American law and moved themselves here get deported.

And to facilitate that process I want asset forfeiture for those foreign nationals who decided to invite themselves to move here.

Now go join your weenie friends and wring your hands.

[Pelham]

“Illegal aliens” are Citizens of Other Countries.

What is so hard about making them return to their own countries?

Why should Americans have to have their customs changed, their language pushed aside, their money taken to educate and medicate and jail these border trespassers?

When do our politicians get around to representing our interests, instead of the interests of foreign nationals who ignore our laws? When do we count? Never?

It will be ‘never’ as long as we let an ethnic-politics clown like Marco Rubio set the agenda.

[Pelham]

I think that that drama queen is only interested in its own hysterics. Plus it sounds like a typical GOP hack.