Here's ShotGun News' article on it.
Here's the company that builds the PTR-91 PDW.
Posted on 01/14/2013 6:28:42 AM PST by servo1969
The Obama Administration is the number one threat to the nation’s gun rights advocates. In the four years since Barack Obama was first elected president in November 2008, an estimated 67 million firearms have been purchased in the United States. In November a record 2 million guns were sold in America. This was followed up by another record in December. 2.7 million guns were sold in America in the last month of 2012.
Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, January 14, 2013, 6:42 AM
Honest Americans Bought Enough Guns in November and December to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies
The Obama Administration is the number one threat to the nation’s gun rights advocates. In the four years since Barack Obama was first elected president in November 2008, an estimated 67 million firearms have been purchased in the United States. In November a record 2 million guns were sold in America. This was followed up by another record in December. 2.7 million guns were sold in America in the last month of 2012.
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To put this in perspective. Chinese and Indian Standing Army Numbers:
China
- There are 2.29 active members in the Chinese Army.
India
- There are 1.13 active members in the Indian Army.
There were enough guns sold in the US in November and December to outfit each active member of the Chinese and Indian armies with a brand new gun.
Check out prices on beretta px4 storm.
I certainly hope plenty of lurking gun grabbers are reading the many pro-freedom posts on FR, including this one. Does the far left fringe really think we have purchased 67,000,000 firearms for the purpose of registering them with the threat they are meant to defend against or handing them over in return for a token payment (of our own tax dollars!)? Do they think those Americans who have fought in wars to defend freedom will allow themselves to be disarmed, will give up the only protection we have for our other freedoms, and will bow down to an unlawful, unconstitutional command?
Clearly the far left can get away with another "assault weapons ban" like the last one - although I hope even the dumbest advocates for disarming law-abiding Americans know that this will be only a symbolic victory. Going further: confiscating private firearms with or without a trivial payment, banning new semiautomatic weapons, restricting ammunition, or requiring registration will result in unpleasant consequences. I hope to avoid such an outcome. It is not clear to me that the far left wants to avoid a second civil war. If they successfully provoke another secession or another civil war, I will be cheering for the real Americans to win, not for the far left.
Just an observation of this thread, but it seems like several guns were lost ‘due to boating accidents.’
I wonder how many of those boating accidents involved alcohol, and I don’t mean the gas additive.
LoL
It would be no surprise to find that there are 300 million weapons in private hands.
Don’t know about the other ‘accidents’, but I sweare mine was COMPLETELY dry. (grin)
Thank you for posting such an uplifting headline, I needed some good news!
No nothing like that, it is just an odd coincidence
You take your gun collection out for a nice leisurely boat ride to the middle of the deepest lake you know and they just seem to fall right over.
Tragic.
Impossible to verify, but tragic still.
Yes, unless they have a lot more “inactive but ready”, they do not seem to be much of a threat, less than 4 total.
Mine were taken in an ambuscade.
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Sure thing!
Two of the handguns we bought in November were Taurus Judges. Ammo for them is either .45 Colt (a longer-than .45 ACP) or .410 shells.
The 000 buck .410 shells only have 4 pellets in them - BUT they are each slightly larger than the size of a .38 bullet (.36 for the 000 and .357 for the .38).
Range time was awesome - at 25 feet, there were 4 horizontal holes across the center of the target with each shot.
Two were mine, and I ain't planning on turning them in, nor the dozens of "high-capacity" magazines I own. Molon Labe.
>> How do 410 shotgun shells compare with .45 bullets? (cost wise) the one gun ‘my friend’ bought is made to shoot both.)
Ah, your friend bought himself a Judge. It’s a shame he wasn’t more careful with his new purchase. :-)
I used to have a Judge, too, before it fell off my truck.
.45LC is kinda pricey handgun ammo, and not always easy to find. I did notice that they at least had some on the shelf at my Academy, last time I looked. I have found dirty Mexican .45LC for about .65/shell. Most of the time it’s more than that.
But it’s not just cost, it’s also effectiveness.
While .410 small shot may be cheaper (50 cents) and is useful for some varmints, IMHO the .45LC is a better defense round. If you’re planning to shoot longer than about ten or fifteen feet, anyway. For defense, don’t even THINK about any shot size smaller than #4, and frankly, #4 is too small too. Think buck. Smaller shot just sprays every whichaway shortly after it leaves that little barrel.
Before I lost my judge, I preferred these for defense: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-860.
Three 000 pellets. Price is okay relative to other .410, if you can find them. And the pattern is tight-ish out to a reasonable distance.
In fact, I keep ...er, *kept* the judge loaded with three of these (first) plus two Hornady JHP .45LC after those.
Your friend may have been tempted to try .410 slugs, but IMHO they aren’t worth their price ($1 each). If you want to throw just one piece o’ hot lead out of the Judge, use .45LC — cheaper, more accurate, and more effective.
The Judge certainly has its flaws (and plenty of detractors to point them out), but all in all I have... er, *had* a lot of fun with mine.
FRegards
People are snapping up every modern carbine as soon as it hits a store shelf. A lot of people have been priced out of the modern carbine market and are upgrading and accessorizing what they have - new optics, lights, lasers, rails, etc. One of the items is out of stock everywhere is the Tapco Interfuse SKS stock, used to convert an otherwise prosaic 10 shot fixed magazine SKS into a rifle with a 20 round detachable magazine, rail system and multi-position stock - all features that keep liberals awake nights.
When the first "Assault" weapons "ban" took effect there were about 1.5 million rifles in private hands that fell into that category. Today there are tens of millions. There was also a divide in the gun owner community between the brown rifle and black rifle people. That doesn't exist anymore as far as I can tell. The politicians need to know that any attempt to ban anything will energize a voting block large enough to vote them out of office.
My local Wal-Mart is still receiving shipments of it, and I got word from an acquaintance who works in distribution that WM is still placing automated orders for ammo. They're just having trouble getting it (like everybody else).
That story might have been a scare tactic, I don't know.
Glad to hear that.
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