I expect the prison-like conditions of our nation's schools will grow worse. It will have consequences in a few years in the voting booth.

When and how and why did Americans allow the government to do government schools? And even now many Americans think it is great to have government schools. I ‘ve had debates with idiots that have attacked me verbally for daring to talk against the government schools.

I’d like to know the history of government schools. this was one of the seeds of socialism in the U.S. imo

Thoughts on this thread?

Possible ping for the ARTH list.

Isn't it **rational** to resist being treated like a prisoner when one’s only crime was to be born?

This is not good for the kids who had to serve time in an adult lockup.

It is not good for the children who compliantly remain in school to know of this police, court, and hard-time prison threat.

It is not good for children who are comfortable in their prison-like school to be forced by the state to assemble with those children who aren't compliant. ( First Amendment human right to free assembly.)

Isn't it **rational** to resist being treated like a prisoner when one’s only crime was to be born?

As a factual matter, children belong more to the State than their parents.

But parents still have the ability to wrest control of their own children from the State.

But that would mean giving up free babysitting.

How much is free babysitting really worth?

John Gatto is a good place to start.

There are several Youtube videos of him.

Modern government schooling is considered to have its origins in the the compulsory schooling laws of the mid-1800s.

My great grandparents ( born 1860s), grandparents ( born early 1890s), and parents ( born 1913) would be shaking their heads in utter disbelief that a judge would sentence an EIGHTEEN year old to prison for refusing to go to school. Geeze! My aunts and uncles only went to school until they were 14.

This country was put through a cultural and ideological meat grinder called the 60s. We are now feeling the repercussions of what came out the other end.

Possibly a takeover of the home schooled may be in this. With the Liberal and Immoral wave upon this nation, I would not be surprised to see more of the same.

It only took one to three generations of socialist-funded, single-payer, and compulsory schooling to give the nation Franklin D. Roosevelt and his compulsory, single-payer, and socialist programs.

Children who attend socialist funded, and state compelled schools are at risk of learning to be comfortable with socialist, single-payer, and compulsory programs.

Dear Democrat_media,

“Government schools” in Maryland began during the colonial era, when in 1723, the general assembly instructed the then-extant 12 counties to set up and operate “free schools.”

Anne Arundel County (the county in which the capital, Annapolis, is located) had its free school in operation no later than 1746.

The original school building still stands, located in a neighborhood of Davidsonville, MD.

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Did the peoplke responding in this thread even watch the video? The responses are acting like the school is just sending kids on a field trip to a prison to punish innocent kids. These kids are chronicly skipping school and engageing in criminal activity like breaking into houses etc. according to the video. Bottom line is if they were doing the right thing, they wouldn’t have anything to worry about. One of the last people they mentioned was a 14 year old girl that got sentenced for 3 days or ao, also with her mother as her nmother tried to FORGE a doctors note. I say good, maybe it will teach this trash a lesson.

Condition response at an early age the government can throw you in jail for almost any thing.

As a factual matter, children belong more to the State than their parents.

But parents still have the ability to wrest control of their own children from the State.

But that would mean giving up free babysitting.

How much is free babysitting really worth?

You are correct. Money aside (meaning involuntary extractions through taxation), the price one pays for such government babysitting - which morphs into something more like incarceration by the time a child is a teenager - is that the child does belong to the state. The "Prussian model" was as warm and fuzzy as most things Prussian.

Mr. niteowl77

When war begins and indoctrination centers go up in flames, leave that one alone for historical purposes /s

If you accept that the government can implement government schools then you accept that the government is something that is good , effective, that is needed and can do many other things. but the government is none of that but an oppressive , tyrannical evil that doesn't solve any problems as well as the private sector and free market capitalism does. This is one of the seeds of all our problems, the idea that government is something needed and not that is something evil that needs to be opposed and kept extremely limited.

The media and government are always inventing some fake crisis or some fake need in order to justify more laws and more government brainwashing all to accept this “great” government service or something that the government will give to you.In reality all they are doing is growing government power and at the same time taking away our individual rights and freedom as is their goal( the socialists/democrats in the media's goal)

Possibly a takeover of the home schooled may be in this.

Maybe, but my guess would be that it is not, as it is scary enough to drive parents of home schoolers further from the government schools. Home schooling parents are more likely to have their efforts undone by putting their children in some sort of government or quasi-government "after-hours" program that uses bait such as "discipline," "character," "service" or other various assorted "good old fashioned values" as vehicles to carry the main ingredients of statist indoctrination.

Mr. niteowl77

The sixties were merely the fulminating expression of a long standing low grade infection.

Please remember that Bill Ayers could not have reached his station of influence without the mentoring of others of my father’s generation ( born 1913).

When I was a teen, I skipped school once. I was driving down the road with a friend and when I glanced into the rearview mirror, I happened to see my last name spelled backward. Looking up at the driver, I saw my dad driving one of our business trucks. He pointed very firmly toward the school and followed me there. Once I arrived back at the school, he walked me into the principal’s office.

...I never skipped school again.

While there are early examples of government run community schooling, our nation's modern system of government schooling, as we know it today, began with the enactment of compulsory schooling laws of the mid-1800s.

For more on this, please do a Google search on Horace Mann Father of American Education.

Dear Democrat_media,

“If you accept that the government...”

I didn't say I accept anything. You asked a question of fact:

“When and how and why did Americans allow the government to do government schools?”

Although I don't think Maryland was the first American colony to have government-funded and -organized schools, I know that, as a matter of historical fact, it did, that these efforts predated the American Revolution, and didn't seem to perturb in principle anyone during the period of the Revolution and its aftermath, through the adoption of the Constitution.

In fact, the original efforts at “free schools” in Maryland go back to 1696, with the founding of King William's School in Annapolis by the colony's general assembly. I didn't cite it because it King William's eventually became the modern St. John's College. It wasn't what we call a college today, but it eventually became one. It eventually became a private school, as well.

You asked a question of history. I gave you an answer.

If you wish to argue that there should be no public schools, that's fine. I homeschooled my sons through eighth grade and then sent them off to a private Catholic high school.

But that's a philosophical stand that must take into account actual historical facts. And the facts are that government was doing schools in the American colonies before the founding, continued through the founding, and picked up speed after the founding.

There have been many twists and turns in public education since the 17th and 18th century. Whether one thinks those twists and turns have been good or bad, whether one thinks that public schools have morphed into something evil from more benign beginnings, whether one thinks the entire enterprise was bad from the beginning, everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.

There were government schools from the colonial era through the revolutionary and constitutional eras, and these government schools picked up speed continuously from that time onward.

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