Posted on 01/04/2013 7:45:19 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
The Obama administration moved ahead Friday with the first major overhaul of the nation’s food-safety system in more than 70 years, proposing tough new standards for fruit and vegetable producers and food manufacturers.
The long-awaited proposals by the Food and Drug Administration are part of a fundamental change aimed at preventing food-borne outbreaks — caused by everything from leafy greens to canteloupes to peanut butter — rather than simply reacting to them. Every year, contaminated foods sicken an estimated 48 million Americans and kill 3,000.
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There is no difference between liberals and conservatives, the answer to every problem is MORE GOVERNMENT.
What I find incredulous is that you'd rather the government not engage in a constitutional activity, so that you can have the "freedom" to buy any contaminated/adulterated food that any shady fraudster might want to sell you.
The difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives believe in government guided by the constitution, while liberals want to control every aspect of your life while ignoring the constitution. You're going to have to explain to me how preventing the sale of rotten, fake, or adulterated food impacts your liberty, because I honestly don't see it.
I don’t understand this rep. cap. Our food supply. is what? 99.9% safe?
I don’t see the cost benefit to this.
But, Barry has to pad his resume, even if it’s with garbage that doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.
We raise our own food, we freeze it , can it , dry it and store it.We raise our own beef , hogs, and poultry.We have a huge garden.
The FDA can go to hell.
You sure have a bug up your ass for your favorite unconstitutional program, don’t you?
Here’s what James Madison had to say about the General Welfare clause, when asked if it granted any power to the Federal government:
“If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.”
THE GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE IS NOT A BLANK CHECK FOR EVERY STATIST SUMBITCH TO USE TO JUSTIFY HIS OR HER FAVORITE CAUSE.
Do you understand yet?
What else do you want the Federal government to regulate? Are you next going to say that they should regulate the types of fast foods which are sold? Are you going to suggest that they ban certain foods because they are too high in fat or sodium?
STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY PANTRY AND MY NEIGHBOR’S PANTRY. WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN.
The reason you don’t see it is because the “ex-Dem” portion of your nickname is apparently wishful thinking. You can’t see it, because you lack understanding of the foundational principles underlying our Constitution.
You can fix this by educating yourself. The Founding Fathers left tons and tons of written materials explaining everything they proposed in simple terms to the public. You could start with the Federalist Papers, which are written for the lay audience. You should read John Locke and Tom Paine. Once you do, you will realize just how far from the path we’ve strayed as a nation. The Founding Fathers would be horrified and would probably have already kicked off another Revolution.
There is no difference between liberals and conservatives,
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Let me give you the 3 cents version.
A swimmer is 75 yards out and is floundering.
A conservative sees him and throws 50 yards of rope and says “Swim to the rope, I will pull you in”.
A liberal sees him and throws 100 yards of rope and says “Grab the rope, I have to run up the beach to help someone else”.
Either way YOU GONNA DROWN.
SORRY PP, that was supposed to go to ‘exdemmom’
A swimmer is 75 yards out and is floundering.
A conservative sees him and throws 50 yards of rope and says “Swim to the rope, I will pull you in”.
A liberal sees him and throws 100 yards of rope and says “Grab the rope, I have to run up the beach to help someone else”.
Either way YOU GONNA DROWN.
Shall I repost the general welfare clause? Nevermind, here it is: The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." It's not even an amendment; it is part of the body of the Constitution *and* placed near the beginning. That's significant. Our founding fathers gave a very clear message that they considered protecting the citizenry from dangers that they do not have the means or resources to protect themselves from is pretty much the purpose of government. And, despite your views colored by your libertarian romanticism, it *is* conservative to believe that the government should fulfil its constitutionally mandated functions.
I should also point out that it's quite clear that, whatever some founding fathers might have written, the general welfare clause still was included in the Constitution. In the same sentence as national defense, even... although I suppose you would say that that's also unnecessary, since you can protect yourself from an invading army just fine on your own.
What else do you want the Federal government to regulate? Are you next going to say that they should regulate the types of fast foods which are sold? Are you going to suggest that they ban certain foods because they are too high in fat or sodium?
STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY PANTRY AND MY NEIGHBOR’S PANTRY. WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN.
Excuse me? How on earth does making sure the food you buy isn't rotten or adulterated with things like melamine equate to controlling what you choose to eat or where you obtain your food? You keep going on about that, but that's not what food safety is about and it isn't something I have mentioned, even once. So quit bringing it up, already.
A swimmer is 75 yards out and is floundering.
A conservative sees him and throws 50 yards of rope and says “Swim to the rope, I will pull you in”.
A liberal sees him and throws 100 yards of rope and says “Grab the rope, I have to run up the beach to help someone else”.
Either way YOU GONNA DROWN.
That makes absolutely no sense. So I answer with this:
what is this I don’t even
Obviously,you know f*ck-all about the Founding Fathers’ thoughts and you apparently can’t be bothered to read anything, so not much left to say until you educate yourself. In the meantime, you should be careful about your advocacy.
Good points all. I would suggest a distinction in your post 57; “Which is why we are not a democracy …” It seems, the country began as a republic, but lost that status in 1913 with constitutional amendment 17, direct election of senators. (That year also brought the income tax, and the Federal Reserve Bank.)
Let me give you the 3 cents version.
A swimmer is 75 yards out and is floundering.
A conservative sees him and throws 50 yards of rope and says “Swim to the rope, I will pull you in”.
A liberal sees him and throws 100 yards of rope and says “Grab the rope, I have to run up the beach to help someone else”.
Either way YOU GONNA DROWN.
The Liberal says “I will make you think I am helping you”.
(hence...YES, he shot 100 yds out to the swimmer but left HIS own end untended so when the swimmer grabs on the rope there is plenty there but no one to ACTUALLY help him as the Liberal is off doing another ‘good deed’)
So, in wrapup, the swimmer will probably drown as NO ONE is actually doing anything REAL to rescue him.
Look up the ‘story’ of the group of men paying a daily 100 check for beer based on the tax code.
Well these people are doing both. GM anyone.
I thank God everyday for the freedom to drown.
“protecting the citizenry from dangers that they do not have the means or resources to protect themselves from is pretty much the purpose of government.”
Okay, but what government? Federal, state, local? Are you aware there’s a difference, or is it all of a piece to you? Have you ever bothered reading the 10th amendment, or have any basic knowlwdge of the machinery of our constitutional government? The words “general welfare” somehow blind people to the limited nature of federal power. Nit sure why, except that they personally like it when the feds do more things, and as such grab onto whatever’s available to justify themselves.
Hiw do you even know what the people are and aren’t able to do for themselves.l? Ugh, nevermind. That would be a pointless digression. What you quote doesn’t say what you say it says, is the main point. Far tron it. All it says is that Congress can levy taxes in so and so ways for so and so ends. Why regulating the national food supply for safety purposes jumps out at you from that is utterly beyond me.
“it *is* conservative to believe that the government should fulfilled its constitutionally mandated functions”
Where is the FDA mandated, again? Kindly quote the article and section. Or are you going to go on about the taxing power again?
“whatever some founding fathers might have written, the general welfare clause still was included in the Constitution.”
Yes, but that clause doesn’t read “Congress may do whatever it thinks provides for the general welfare.” That’s merely what statists like you want it to say.
Amendment 17 rendered us more democratic, but not all the way. The electoral college and lifetime appointment for judges remain to this day. Not that I necessarily care for the supposedly independent judiciary, but it certainly isn’t a democratic institution, despite how they keep pretending to move with “the times” and be an organ of the people.
The democratic legislature was nevertgeless kept within more or less firm limits, and one or two are still kicking, at least before the war socialism of WWI and of course the New Deal.
Consider the original check-and-balance structure of federal powers; senators selected by state legislatures to guard state interests, congressmen by popular vote to represent the mass of people. Now both houses of Congress represent the masses, with the only difference being length of term.
Most certainly it will apply to imported food as well....
Sarcasm mode off...
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