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EXCLUSIVE: Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap
FoxNews.com ^ | 12-18-2012 | Jana Winter

Posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:55 PM PST by servo1969

“From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told FoxNews.com. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.”

A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza's anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.

Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.

Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza's victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.

Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist—both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; fanapt; gunman; lanza; mentalhealth; mentalillness; newtown; sandy; sandyhook
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To: fso301

Agree. It’s past time we all cut each other a generous length of slack.


101 posted on 12/18/2012 4:19:03 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: sarasota
Joshua Flashman, an acquaintance of the Lanza family -- assuming he's real, and not just a name some prankster is hiding behind.

There's also a series of cult books about a fictional 19th century adventurer named Flashman, so my first thought was it was a prank.

102 posted on 12/18/2012 4:21:41 PM PST by x
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To: Polynikes

yikes, they do not have the same liability immunity.

if the drug IS the cause or even contributed, then you have CRIMINAL liability for the suits.


103 posted on 12/18/2012 4:22:00 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DBrow
Now, though, medical issues cannot be discussed with parents once the kid turns 18 (like a psychologist or psychiatrist can no longer chat with parents). Financial issues likewise, the kid must handle that too. Bank accounts become viewable only by the kid.

Doesn't matter if a parent is paying for their kid's college, he doesn't have the right to manage the account. A library won't tell a parent what library book the kid has on reserve so they can't pick it up for them on the way home from work. We can thank the libs for all this. It's the libs who have the blood of those little children on their hands.

104 posted on 12/18/2012 4:22:33 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: DBrow
He maybe could buy a long gun but a 20 yo can’t buy a handgun.

Which is probably why he had his older brother's ID on him.

105 posted on 12/18/2012 4:24:27 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Prince of Space
“That “uncle” is a fraud and has been discredited, AFAIK.”

Ok maybe so maybe not. The only ones I see disputing/speculating are the DU fellows. Even Snopes who I have my doubts about sometimes haven’t chimed in yet.Some reports have been apparently “disappeared” without a vociferous and prominent retraction/denial given the high profile nature of this incident
http://www.nyctn.com/a376622-exclusive-nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-was-getting-worse-told-friend-he-was-burning-himself-with-a-lighter-and-that-she-was-losing-him

106 posted on 12/18/2012 4:25:34 PM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: AppyPappy
Playing video games in your mom’s basement doesn’t exactly sound like a lake of eternal fire.

God, Who does not exist in his previous thinking, wouldn't do such a thing to him because God, Who he didn't believe in, is Love...or some such non-reasoning.
107 posted on 12/18/2012 4:25:44 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: SoldierDad
I saw another guess that he was abused there.Sounds crazy but I learned a long time ago never try to figure out a mentally ill person.My sister was paranoid schizophrenic.She used to be my best friend.She was dangerous only to me.Her mind went when she was 32.
108 posted on 12/18/2012 4:26:27 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: servo1969

I believe this could be it.

Does anyone remember the movie “A Beautiful Mind”? I lived with a man with a severe psychosis - that movie kept bringing moments to me that I lived through. It’s the telephone scene that brings back the real memories - anyone who knows someone will is mentally ill knows the trauma that occurs when the loved one finally says, that’s it - and gets on the phone to call the ambulance or police or whatever. They can go berserk.

Even if the ill person has good experiences at the hospital (and they often do) if they are really in a psychotic break they can go wild and get very, very violent and irrational when you lift that telephone. Seems mom was at a “telephone” moment, figuratively.


109 posted on 12/18/2012 4:27:03 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: GVnana

I make a big deal because he’s verbally abusive to my parents..they’re scared of him & walk on eggshells around him in their own house.
I pray it never escalates but my parents are not getting any younger & hate to see a man child ruining what should be happy years.
My Mom is a nervous wreck & my Dad is in denial about him & is becoming more sad/withdrawn.
I just feel bad for my parents...


110 posted on 12/18/2012 4:27:11 PM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: longtermmemmory
The phrase “depraved indifference” would seem to apply and I am not trying to quote Law & Order.
111 posted on 12/18/2012 4:29:34 PM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: rainee

I’m sorry.

Blessings on you and your folks.


112 posted on 12/18/2012 4:30:33 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: allmendream
A good gun safe cannot be broken into or picked by a young video game playing psychotic med taking doofus.

Given enough time and knowing his mother, he could have figured out the combination or found where she had hidden the combination. He would know numbers she'd use like birthdays and anniversaries. Being the genius he was an a computer geek, it would be easy enough to set up a camera pointed at the safe. It could be he was refusing to take his meds.

113 posted on 12/18/2012 4:31:12 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: fatima

I’m sorry.

Blessings.


114 posted on 12/18/2012 4:32:38 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: servo1969
One of the strangest most scary days of my life went like this:

Looking for a room as I was going to nursing school( my second degree back a long time ago). We( was with a friend) go to this home and it's dark, shaded weird windows) some broken, and smells of urine) and hear a television turned up and all way.It was the fuzzy sound when the TV is not on a channel but she insists the TV is on the right channel when my friend attempts to touch the TV.

She had six kids and was scared thinking we were"the fuzz or the social workers." Thus the reason it took her five minutes to answer the door.( Oh I looked in the home, and I won't go into detail of the ,"home," It was spooky weird)

It's dark inside, all windows are blacked out because she's telling us there's demons. I didn't notice at first but my friend has me back away from her. She's( the lady) slamming something into the couch over and over again.

My eyes adjust to the darkness and we both realize she's stabbing the couch over and over with a kitchen knife, a big kitchen knife

We skeedaddle but not before I call the social workers. After all she has six kids right? So I get phone calls from her for over a week threatening my life as she knows I'm the one who called the social workers. I record the messages of course and give them to the social workers but for some odd reason they can do nothing. See, she's a black woman with six kids, HUD housing and just needs her anti psychotic meds and I'm just over reacting( pretty much told me I was racist in so many words).

About three weeks later she was being evicted from the apartments because she held the manager at knife point because he called the cops on her as she was threatening the neighbors with the knife in front of her six kids.

The social workers found her a better home with three bedrooms for her kids and all charges dropped. I had asked why, and again I was over reacting; "the woman just needed her medications and a better home to raise her kids right.

Yes, still shaking my head but this happened, and this lame excuse for this Lanza episode is probably the truth. Sad thing is this probably happens more often but of course 26 children and elementary school teachers aren't murdered, just one at a time. I have no idea of stats, probably buried in reports somewhere. Best place to be in America is broke, on welfare with a dozen kids, a minority and a knife in your hand while not taking the meds so the demons can talk to them easier without that"fuzzy" TV interference.

The end

115 posted on 12/18/2012 4:37:08 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: lonevoice
how on earth did he have access to all her weapons and her car?

You act like he was an outsider who was never inside the house so knew nothing that was going on in it. Sure, kids never sneak around their parents' room. Sure, being a computer geek, he'd never snoop on her computer or listen in on phone calls or take a peek at the mail. Maybe he had access to her car because he'd blown her face off so couldn't tell him he couldn't borrow the keys. Maybe he had access to her weapons because he'd planned this for a while and began the his morning while she was still asleep in bed.

116 posted on 12/18/2012 4:37:21 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: servo1969

Larry Kudlow is running this story on CNBC right now


117 posted on 12/18/2012 4:39:32 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: SoldierDad

Bingo.

My thoughts exactly.


118 posted on 12/18/2012 4:41:16 PM PST by txmissy
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To: allmendream

It’s easy to gain access to a safe if you live in the same house and it gets opened regularly.

A tiny camera or fingerprint dust could easily be used to find the code.

Or, if the safe doesn’t have a lockout feature someone could simply try every combination for several days while the mom isn’t home.


119 posted on 12/18/2012 4:44:37 PM PST by varyouga
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To: Karliner

Wow. Just wow.

The system is so screwed up. Almost beyond repair.


120 posted on 12/18/2012 4:45:36 PM PST by txmissy
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