They hired more school psychologists, and then added more!
But all their Vain Actions were those of Blind Fools.
THE Only reason for failure: removing prayer and God from their schools!
Posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:53 AM PST by Perdogg
As we reported last night, buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.
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Add in the “fire and forget” mental health system.
What do I mean? Give them a pill that is not completely understoood and assume all is well. Mental illness requires more treatment than a psychotropic drug. Effective treatment requires monitoring and a stable environment. These things are all equally important. What we have now is a system that is horribly broken. We have mentally ill that abuse other drugs. We have mentally ill who have been on the same drug (same dosage) for so long that their brains have been permanently changed/altered. We have families (often broken families) who are too busy or uneducated to really help.
We don’t have enough resources to effectively treat the mentally ill and we rely too much on medication without knowing if the patient takes it or not. Our families are conditioned to believe treatment does not involve them - it is someone elses responsibility - often government run and funded. We no longer believe in counseling and monitoring and have put too many laws in place for professional mental health workers to discuss concerns with family and law enforcement.
We can’t have an honest conversation about the root of the problem because of the politics of guns. Broken families + broken mental health system + overhyped pharmaceutical solutions = ticking timebombs.
Add in the “fire and forget” mental health system.
What do I mean? Give them a pill that is not completely understoood and assume all is well. Mental illness requires more treatment than a psychotropic drug. Effective treatment requires monitoring and a stable environment. These things are all equally important. What we have now is a system that is horribly broken. We have mentally ill that abuse other drugs. We have mentally ill who have been on the same drug (same dosage) for so long that their brains have been permanently changed/altered. We have families (often broken families) who are too busy or uneducated to really help.
We don’t have enough resources to effectively treat the mentally ill and we rely too much on medication without knowing if the patient takes it or not. Our families are conditioned to believe treatment does not involve them - it is someone elses responsibility - often government run and funded. We no longer believe in counseling and monitoring and have put too many laws in place for professional mental health workers to discuss concerns with family and law enforcement.
We can’t have an honest conversation about the root of the problem because of the politics of guns. Broken families + broken mental health system + overhyped pharmaceutical solutions = ticking timebombs.
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I've seen a picture of his mother: rode hard, put away wet; perhaps alcohol. Flat or no affect + single player video games + SSRIs = mass murder.
Would now be an appropriate time to voice concern for the 85 people (apprx) that died yesterday in auto accidents on our nation’s highways?
..and the 85 the day before, and the day before that, and the day before that, and will die today, and tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, and the day after that, and...
Is it proper for me to say...cars are evil, cars kill people...?
Some people who have Asberger’s develop schizophrenia. It is suspected that Einstein had Asberger’s and that is one reason he was so obsessed with math and physics. Many people with the disorder have absolutely amazing abilities like the guy in England who recited Pi to 5000 decimal points without a single mistake. That same man learned Icelandic in 24 hours. Enough to go on television and do a whole interview in the language. Einstein’s son Eduard was a schizophrenic. It is heritable. At least that is what I have read. It might be that the shooter wasn’t evil but that he was just not in touch with reality. It is a shame that he wasn’t locked up in a mental ward.
ZHer comment:
A few more facts in the form of ignored SCOTUS rulings:
No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefore. -Murdock v. Pennsylvania-
If the State converts a right into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity. -Shuttleworth v. City of Birmingham Ala.-
The court is to protect against any encroachment of Constitutionally secured rights. -Boyd v. U.S.-
Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abolish them. -Miranda v. Arizona-
An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as though it had never been passed. -Norton v. Shelby County-
These rulings apply to each and every right set forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. All of them.
They hired more school psychologists, and then added more!
But all their Vain Actions were those of Blind Fools.
THE Only reason for failure: removing prayer and God from their schools!
Let’s put into a real prospective. You walk around during a seven day period, and there’s likely six people that you bump into...who have a mental issue of some sort or a drug issue...and they are a potential threat to your life. The only reason you are alive at the end of seven days? Luck.
We rely on luck and meds...to survive each week. If you had laid this out to Americans in 1940...they would have fired political figures quickly and put the guys who are a threat into a state mental hospital. End of the story. My dad recounted how it simply took five folks in the 1930s to sign a petition and a county judge could put you into a state institute. It was a fairly simple task and you didn’t worry about some idiot coming to kill you or your friends.
I agree that at one time or another, everyone can be going through a time when they are suffering from a situation that can be classified by some diagnosis in the DSM-Adjustment Disorder is a classic example often used. I know of or know most of the individuals in our general area who do psychotherapy. Most of them I wouldn’t send my cat to.
Under no circumstances would I allow any government agency to perform a “simple mental profile test”. Not only are they not trained to interpret the results, but the person completing the test can answer so as to skew the results.
There have always been and will always be evil people who choose to act out. The ability of rapid communication makes us more aware of what is occurring. By the time the MSM adds their own biased spin, the real truth, core causes and options for control rarely are known. Sometimes people do bad things and cannot even explain why. Total elimination is not possible.
The continuing moral decay in our country, the turning away from God, the lack of responsibility and self-discipline and respect for human life provides an environment where there will be an increase in the number of those who are bent to do harm to others.
And What if this man has Schizofrenia? You are so quick to judge this person a monster, Something your religion forbids you to do by the way. If he had Asperger’s then there is a good chance he also had Schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a physical brain disorder. It is not something you get from a bad childhood. People with the disorder can no more control it than they can getting MS or Alzheimer’s.
I myself could have developed it. I have an Autism spectrum disorder and when I was 20 years old I had a reaction to penicillin that caused me to experience the symptoms of Schizophrenia for about 48 hours. Until the medicine wore off I had conversations with the grim reaper in my bedroom and objects around the room were talking to me and telling me to kill people and that if I drove that people would try to run me off the road with their cars. It was not fun. Thankfully the effect wore off and needless to say I have not ever taken that antibiotic again.
So you should Obey your god Christian and not judge this man. At least wait until you have the facts.
I just got off another thread where there’s a FReeper who believes the mother’s guns should have been taken away from her because her son was a loony. The kicker: That FReeper says she has a number of guns, and children.
I could not have said it better myself and I agree with you completely.
Evil does not discriminate. It is always among us. Yesterday, Newtown, CT experienced it in full force.
My prayers go to those whose lives have been permanently changed. May God bless all of those who were murdered yesterday. Keep them in His loving arms.
How many more acts of violence will take place before we realize that there is a solution?
We used to live in Kenya & Uganda. While there I saw a kid with a white circle painted around one eye. He had been to the witchdoctor and had received the ‘treatment’ for headache.
Another time we treated an infant with severely bleeding gums. The mother had taken the child to the witchdoctor, complaining that the child was crying, feverish, irritable and not nursing (i.e., teething). The witchdoctor said, “Ah, there is a disease going around. For two chickens, I will cure the child.”
His solution was to dig out the eye (canine) teeth “buds” (they had not erupted yet) using a sharpened bicycle spoke as his scalpel. Thankfully, our nurse had an ampule of adrenalin which stopped the bleeding. We almost had to restrain the nurse from beating the mother with a stick. No telling what she would have done to the witchdoctor.
Our Western psychiatric witchdoctors sometimes do far more harm than their African counterparts.
“... and you are terribly uninformed”
Then by all means, enlighten us all.
It's not so clear to me today that that that distinction holds up. Now I'm googling and finding another controversy about The Science of Evil, a book that relates autism to lack of empathy and to evil. It was attacked by autism advocates -- perhaps with good reason -- for overplaying its conclusions, but there may be a lot more to say about the topic.
How right you are. Anyone with personal experience dealing with mental health issues has encountered the very real limitations of the “system.” Psychotropic drugs are simply not able to cope with the complex patterns of thought and biochemistry that produce what we call mental illness. It’s like trying to fix a broken piston by putting a supposedly better oil in the engine. It just doesn’t fix the problem, though it may quiet the engine a little. But then what if you find even that “fix” is making the problem worse over time, that there are abrasives in the oil that are damaging parts if the engine that were fine before treatment. Tardive dyskinesia is the sort of thing any reasonable person would want to avoid, to mention just one of many possibilities.
Which is why the problem cannot be solved entirely on a basis of prevention. Some bad actors will always leak through. What we can do, what lies within our power to do, is to meet those bad actors with good ammo. 9mm, double tap, center mass, problem solved.
Trying to associate the autism spectrum to this kind of insane violence is nonsense. The two could not be farther apart. You might as well try to establish a causality to being left handed or blue-eyed.
What an ignorant pile of claptrap.
The aftermath of this tragedy is generating an important discussion on the subject of mental illness. If I may, I would point out to you that your sweeping generalization of psychiatrist/psychologist = witchdoctor will not help us get anywhere, other than a caution that, yes, drugs are potent and have the capacity to inflict harm rather than benefit. But I hope adults can look at this subject in terms of specifics, including personal anecdotes & studies, to help us grapple with the crux of this tragedy.
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