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How 'genius' honor student Adam Lanza became masked killer
Daily Mail ^ | 12/15/12

Posted on 12/15/2012 8:45:53 AM PST by BunnySlippers

Ms Conte called the ordeal 'sad' for Lanza and his family, and suggested that the violence is a portion of a much larger situation.

'Guns are easy to point to, but it's really a mental health issue.'

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; adamlanza; aspergers; autism; disorders; guncontrol; lanza; mentalhealth; mentalillness; newtown; protectbigpharma; psychiatry; sandyhook; sandyhookshooter; secondamendment
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To: BunnySlippers
A careless parent is already in line for punishment. There are already laws in place for that; check with a lawyer in your area. Someone who allows a toddler to gain access to a gun and hurts himself or someone else can probably be charged with noncompliance with law, including negligent homicide.
81 posted on 12/15/2012 10:01:49 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: chris37

I see your point clearly. It just seems to me that people are being too PC about asking questions about why this mother would be taking her crazy son to shooting ranges? Common sense seems to be out the window these days when it comes to the mentally ill. If we are going to fight the libs from taking our guns, we are going to have to focus on the mental health issue and the rot of society due to their stupid policies. It is one of the ways to back them into a corner IMHO.


82 posted on 12/15/2012 10:01:54 AM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: BunnySlippers

The answer is to fortify the school.

If the kids mean something to their parents, then the parents should secure them, and I do not mean with door buzzers and cameras, I mean with heavily armed men.

Yes, such security will cost more, so what. The alternative is apparent.

There is no way that I am going to disarm in this society. No way. And I have no intention of further empowering this communist government to control my ability to defend myself or anyone else’s ability to defend themselves from the psychopaths that infest this country and world.

Are you telling me that everyone who is weird or difficult and strange should not have the right to effectively defend themselves from criminals and communists?

If you are scared, then defend yourself. Stop trying to disarm others. You are trading freedom for security, and you will soon have neither as a result of your foolishness.


83 posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:53 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I appreciate your input. And I cannot disagree with anything you have said.

IMO, and I hope I am wrong, someday a rouge president like the one we have now, will capitalize on the fears of the uneducated electorate to make sweeping changes to the Constitution.

I’m trying to have an intelligent discussion about strategy. I hope you can join.


84 posted on 12/15/2012 10:05:18 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Travis McGee

“Then we got the first-person POV combat video games, and kids today are rewired from an early age to visualize and actually enjoy rapidly shooting human-looking “enemies” in front of them.”

I know a man whose son is in 5th grade. This man says his son wants to join the military because he is really good killing people in video games. This man thinks that is just fine, the kid will shine in the military because the kid is so good at those killing games. He says the military has changed and these video games are preparation for that.

Maybe by the time the kid is 18, he will have more sense. I doubt the father will change.


85 posted on 12/15/2012 10:06:39 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Galt is freedom.)
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To: BunnySlippers
I’m trying to have an intelligent discussion about strategy

I'd call it a swing and a miss.

More laws aren't going to stop tragedy.

When you start talking about restricting my right to keep loaded, unlocked firearms, you are wasting your breath.

I won't comply with unConstitutional laws. Period. It may kill me, but I'm ok with that.

/johnny

86 posted on 12/15/2012 10:10:22 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
None of them learned it by playing violent video games

But our children were never taught to kill by making very realistic games out of it like now.

87 posted on 12/15/2012 10:10:37 AM PST by zeebee
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To: BunnySlippers

Okay I will.

BTW, I thought about what such laws could have prevented yesterday.

Once the son decided he wanted to do something like this, he could have overpowered his mom and forced her to open up the gun safe.

Does this mean that nobody with a mentally challenged person in their home should own weapons? And then what constitutes a mentally challenged person?

Somehow we survived not having these sorts of laws for most of our existence as a nation. We also survived not having gun safes.

It seems to me we need to define what has caused this shift, and quit blaming in on easy access to guns. We’ve always had easy access to guns.

I would submit, guns are not the problem, and what we need to focus on is. what is the problem.

I appreciate you not wanting to discuss this right now. That’s okay. I understand where you’re coming from.

Take care.


88 posted on 12/15/2012 10:13:04 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: zeebee
The shooter was an adult, not a chld.

And girls watch many of these same movies and play many of these same games. Why aren't they charging into schools and movies, shooting up the place, and killing themselves.

Let's stop blaming race, religion, games, and everything else, and start asking why so many males are behaving like this.

89 posted on 12/15/2012 10:14:26 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“All of my weapons are loaded and unlocked. I’ll not ever do as you say. An unloaded weapon is a club.”

I’m glad you are on this thread and I completely agree with you. My Ruger handgun came with a huge padlock. If I put that big lock on that gun, I might as well call a funeral director now for an appointment.

If one needs to use that gun to save one’s life, forget it if it has no bullets or has a big lock on it or the gun is in its separate parts.


90 posted on 12/15/2012 10:15:33 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Galt is freedom.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Over all, “crazy people” are no more violent than normal people. What ever happened to blaming the individual involved for his actions. Sociologizing is a lame lefty game.


Well stated......


91 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:40 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: BunnySlippers
If you read this thread, which clearly you did not.

I did indeed read the thread... and saw all of your comments.

And you are trying, and succeeding to be a wise***

I responded to one of your posts with sarcasm. If that makes me a successful wise-ass, then I plead guilty.

but I said people are capable of understanding their situation accordingly.

Okay.

Are you a single parent with a handgun that you leave in a drawer? Is your toddler able to reach that drawer?

My child managed to survive my gun storage regimen and go on to have four Middle East deployments; he was at Ft. Hood when Nidal Malik Hasan took advantage of Uncle Sam's keeping my him - or any other soldier - from getting into his own drawer.

We have seen this a lot in recent years.

Toddlers being hurt by the ignorance and carelessness of adults is one thing, and having a 20 year old lunatic execute his mother and steal her pistols to commit a crime is quite another. I'll credit you in advance with understanding that nuance.

But I doubt you can grasp that nuance.

I guess I'm just a bit thick that way. In any event, only you know how far you are willing to be bullied or cajoled into compliance with whatever the government decides is best for you. If the actions of a psychotic killer are able to be so easily demagogued into making people voluntarily override the Bill of Rights, then the nation deserves what it gets.

Mr. niteowl77

92 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:58 AM PST by niteowl77 (Oh, crap.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
The shooter was an adult, not a chld.

Children today grow up with violent video games that shape their adult lives. Not all can handle it.

93 posted on 12/15/2012 10:19:01 AM PST by zeebee
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To: DoughtyOne

If I was a mother who owned guns, and I am.

I would want to make sure my guns were not going to be used against me if my son was an obvious psychopath. Everyone has to gauge this for themselves. It is an individual judgement.

Maybe she, as a smart woman, thought he was very normal, well adjusted and reasonable.


94 posted on 12/15/2012 10:20:39 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ok, your opinion. I can accept that.


95 posted on 12/15/2012 10:21:33 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
I’m willing to give concessions to try to keep crazy people from getting them and/or securing your guns so crazies can’t get them.

Wow, take away some one elses rights but don't touch mine.

I've yet to see you define crazy, what is it and what if others disagree?

The 2nd Amendment is a God Given right that the Constitution reads "shall not be infringed"

You want to change it, follow the procedures outlined in it. Don't come up with subjective feel good laws that you think will some how leave you untouched at the expense of others.

96 posted on 12/15/2012 10:23:43 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: chris37

Is there anyone who is so psychotic and pathological that you would say, “don’t let that man have a gun”?

If not, then your position is clear. But it denies mental illness. I assume you do not think anyone is mentally ill, right?


97 posted on 12/15/2012 10:25:34 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Is there anyone who is so psychotic and pathological that you would say, “don’t let that man have a gun”?

If not, then your position is clear. But it denies mental illness. I assume you do not think anyone is mentally ill, right?


98 posted on 12/15/2012 10:27:10 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
I can accept that.

You don't get a choice. I'll not be disarmed by emotional crybabies.

/johnny

99 posted on 12/15/2012 10:27:36 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Travis McGee

Much early warfare involved killing men, women & children - whole villages. It was meant to instill terror and break the will.

I think these shooters have an “I’ll show them” mentality - losers who can’t bear the blow to their ego (as well as other trauma, perhaps) that their life has dealt them. I also think there’s a certain “drag them down to my level”, born envy and jealousy.


100 posted on 12/15/2012 10:28:49 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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