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Do Civilians Armed With Guns Ever Capture, Kill, or Otherwise Stop Mass Shooters?
The Volokh Conspiracy ^ | 14 December, 2012 | Eugene Volokh

Posted on 12/15/2012 7:57:59 AM PST by marktwain

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41 posted on 12/15/2012 8:27:29 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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42 posted on 12/15/2012 8:29:37 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Hardraade

There is a danger in becoming estranged from the normal, in this case normal concepts of courage and bravery. There can come a temptation to embrace a perverted form of it laden with the smell of evil. Why do we have more kids that like to play Grand Theft Auto than who aspire to be good cops or soldiers?


43 posted on 12/15/2012 8:31:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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Naturally, such examples will be rare, partly because mass shootings are rare, partly because many mass shootings happen in supposedly “gun-free” zones (such as schools, universities, or private property posted with a no-guns sign) in which gun carrying isn’t allowed, and partly for other reasons.

Add to this the reality that getting a concealed carry permit in some areas of our nation is next to impossible, and it's spitting in the face of reality to try to do a fair study on the ability of concealed carry to actually make a difference.

If people in the office yesterday had been armed, this shooter would have faced opposition. I defy anyone to explain how these people were safer without guns.

44 posted on 12/15/2012 8:32:04 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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John Lott ‘More guns, Less crime’ reported that ccw laws reduce the number and degree of spree murders.


45 posted on 12/15/2012 8:35:09 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Hardraade

Thanks. I borrowed that figure -— very impressive.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 8:35:46 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: DoughtyOne

Donutman, the liberal idea so often is to create this little cloistered peacenik utopia, bereft of any possibility of hazard, let alone the need to think about it. Which often seems to be perking along well until it gets visited by the real world.


47 posted on 12/15/2012 8:36:00 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: marktwain

1966, University of Texas. Charles Whitman climbed the 28 story university tower and began shooting people.

Soon citizens on the ground grabbed their rifles and returned fire.

An off duty deputy sheriff and two civilians climbed the tower and ended the rampage

49 were shot before the sniper was killed.

Today the police would have spent hours clearing the area (and maybe arresting those that fired back) and then assemble a hundred men swat team before they decide to drop a bomb on the tower killing the shooter as well as destroying the building.

The death toll would have been much higher


48 posted on 12/15/2012 8:37:18 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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It is interesting but the next story on FR after this one is about a hospital in Birmingham where the shooter wounded three before being shot to death by an armed person. So add this to the list.


49 posted on 12/15/2012 8:38:14 AM PST by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I can point out it could have something to do with a lying usurper who not only once won an election through fraud did it again, and he is a loyalist to Islam. And very soon wants to make it a crime to criticize Islam, in effect is pushing the culture of embracing Islam and its culture, an evil corrupt culture that is just the kind of dark cult many would turn to, because its “cool”.

Blame Obama, may be illogical but we cannot keep on putting band aids on a brain tumor for America.


50 posted on 12/15/2012 8:41:33 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: FatherofFive

Someone on Facebook posted that the 2nd Amendment was created for “bows and arrows”. I kid you not!

I have a rule about getting political on there, and I almost broke it because stupidity like that was just too much.


51 posted on 12/15/2012 8:42:29 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That probably hits pretty close to home...


52 posted on 12/15/2012 8:44:25 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Eye of Unk

These troubles were with us before Obama sprang on the scene, and will be with us afterwards (if the Lord tarries).


53 posted on 12/15/2012 8:46:19 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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I should have posted the whole article...sorry: (Chicago areas)
54 posted on 12/15/2012 8:46:24 AM PST by yoe
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To: DoughtyOne

Less so now, as I have moved out of Ill Noise to Tennessee and need to update my Freeploc.

It’s easy for a citified yokel like me to point and laugh at the “hicks” in this Nashville suburb with every other block sporting a firing range if not a pawn shop or a BBQ joint or a TSC. All I can say is yeehaw darn, I envy these folks. They don’t know what they’re not missing by not being in Ill Noise.


55 posted on 12/15/2012 8:49:52 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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and I almost broke it because stupidity like that was just too much

Gun control advocates are inherently stupid - assuming criminals will follow laws. They should just pass a law saying it is illegal to shoot children and children in schools. It would have the same effect.

56 posted on 12/15/2012 8:50:32 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

You didn’t say how many dogs might have been killed!


57 posted on 12/15/2012 8:51:04 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree but I still think when you have an eveil leader of the nation you will have many seeking to be the best at being more so evil trying to prove their faith.


58 posted on 12/15/2012 8:52:30 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: marktwain

Let me get this straight:
When the Indians attack the fort,
the Cavalry wants to take away the guns from the Cowboys.
Brilliant!


59 posted on 12/15/2012 8:53:08 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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I saw this yesterday, and almost posted it elsewhere. Then it struck me that the printing and wording are way too good for a six-year-old. I like it anyway.


60 posted on 12/15/2012 8:56:45 AM PST by smallelmike (Got gold?)
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