Posted on 12/11/2012 9:48:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Conservative firebrand Glenn Beck has joined a growing chorus of Republican commentators in defending gay marriage, laying out a strong case for ending government opposition to letting same-sex couples wed.
"Let me take the pro-gay marriage people and the religious people — I believe that there is a connecting dot there that nobody is looking at, and that's the Constitution," Beck said during a recent segment of his online talk show. "The question is not whether gay people should be married or not. The question is why is the government involved in our marriage?"
While Beck's defense of gay marriage may seem surprising, given his far-right political views and audience, it is actually not new. Earlier this year, Beck said that he has the "same opinion on gay marriage as President Barack Obama" and does not see same-sex unions as a "threat to America."
Still, Beck's public renewal of his support for gay marriage comes at a politically significant moment for the GOP, which is working to reshape its message to appeal to a changing electorate. A Gallup survey released last week found that 53 percent of Americans are in favor of legalizing gay marriage, a number that has been steadily growing for the past decade.
Moreover, by couching his support for gay marriage in a libertarian framework, Beck makes the case for the right to look past differences on social issues in order to broaden their coalition to include all limited government conservatives.
"What we need to do, I think, as people who believe in the Constitution, is to start looking for allies who believe in the Constitution and expand our own horizon," Beck said. "We would have the ultimate big tent."
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Gays were largely left alone to practice tbeir vile lifestyle in secret. That wasn’t good enough. Neither were civil unions that basicly would afford the same material benefits.
Gays will have nothing less than to profane the very alters of Our Heavenly Father by demanding that they be allowed to stand before them and proclaim their unholy partnerships. Satan’s tools don’t seem to realize that this gains them nothing. Neither will it be well for the so-called “ministers” and government officials who condone the blasephemy. It doesn’t bode well either for talking heads like Beck who decide that it’s suddenly acceptable to make The Word of no account.
Glenn is a born zealot, whether it be in vacume sweeper sales, or in selling ideas. Idea sales must pay more.
He is intellegent, maybe highly intellegent, but profoundly ignorant of Christianity, beyond its surface characteristics. I am thankful he is gainfully employed but have no interest in his program, his personal opinion, or in buying his stuff.
I have never claimed to be a libertarian.
I am a conservative and free market capitalist - PERIOD.
As Calvin Coolidge and Ronald Reagan both said - The government is the problem not the solution.
It is a very simple premise - if you ask the government for something - the price you will ultimately pay will be too high and you will lose what you asked for originally. It always happens that way.
To twist the idea of gay marriage is somehow part of the national defense as outlined in the Constitution is bizarre and not even mentally rational.
Just because we don’t believe in something doesn’t mean we get to ban it by twisting the Constitution to our liking - that is what a Progressive does. True Constitutionalists read the US Constitution for it DOES say, not what it could say.
Have you read the Federalists Papers?
Do you think where we stand today as a Republic is a good place to be? We have so many 10’s of thousands of laws on the books no one even knows if they are breaking a law or not, how has that happened? Because every special interest group has decided they needed something banned - you know what the end result is now?
No matter how law-abiding you are the government has an absolute fool-proof method to incriminate anyone at anytime and in fact you don’t even need to be guilty of a crime anymore - Obama has decreed with the help of Congress that he can pick up any citizen without cause and detain for an indefinite amount of time without counsel.
So as we spiral downward in the annals of history we decide to argue about ridiculous things like this instead of actually trying to fix the problems to save the Republic.
Why do we have permits for residential construction, drivers licenses, marriage licenses, etc...
One reason - so they can tax us incrementally and keep of us and what we are doing.
This isn’t rocket science and this has nothing to do with what is right or wrong - this is 100% about the government inventorying everything about us from cradle to grave just so they can determine what you or I will be ALLOWED to do.
The Communists in our government and on MSNBC can make the same exact argument about the Tea Party and they do.
To twist this into some argument about National defense is truly one of the most bizarre points I have ever read on FR,
A+Bert is that you?
Read the Federalists Papers, the letters between Jefferson and Madison, learn about George Washington and then will you understand the formula that created the greatest nation in the history of mankind.
You know there was a time when man was truly free in America before all of these absurd laws, social engineering that countries would build monuments to us because we were such an inspiration that all changed when Teddy Roosevelt came along and decided to infect our political system with his progressive ideas. Don’t forget he was a Republican.
As a conservative are you happy how you are represented by the GOP? The GOP isn’t conservative, the RNC isn’t conservative, neither of them will ever be and conservatives better wake up because we keep voting for the WHIG party.
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I agree. My beliefes match those of the so-cons. I am a so-con. surfer made the case for why I ditched the GOP and went LP. Everybody wants the law to punish deeds they dislike.
It has to stop or we will be moving to Russia for some freedom.
I am almost where you are, but more cynical. As I age I am getting tired of society and it is really upsetting my wife. I cannot stand to be around anyone who I feel does not reflect a love of this country the way it was just a generation ago and I know voted to further the government. I just want to be left alone and not have to witness the demise of this once great country. I dislike all tv, all new music, most writings. It is really depressing.
Most of the people I work with are young idiots and by simply listening to their conversations, most if not all, voted liberal and I cannot stand them, which means I don’t go to office functions. I don’t like to go into public at all. My wife is more tolerant than I and gets annoyed when I bad mouth her friends that are obviously left of center, especially the ones who are successful like a transplant surgeon friend.
The American in me hopes for a passive turn around, the angry individual hopes for the failure to be a bloody one to teach some a lesson.
I see what the government is and is becoming and I am truly sorry for my children. The other side is I know we need some government but that limited model is quickly bastardized.
Libertarianism -government imposed anarchy and and tyranny of thought, just as much as danger to the Republic as Progressivism, government imposed collectivism and tyranny of property.
until the late 1800s
Until the MORMONS renounced this perversion THEN the United States Congress voted and accetpted them into the Union.
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However the Salt Lake Mormons lied and decieved Congress...
they never stopped practicing the perversion of polygamy...
Until 1945 when the last polygamist Salt Lake Mormon prophet Heber Grant died, the Mormon leaders kept right on having extra “wives” they were married/sealed to in the Mormon temple...
another “proclamation’ was made about 1905 because they hadnt stopped in 1890...
and they kept right on, each new prophet the so called “husband” of several “wives”
nowadays the Salt Lake group is just an offshoot of the real Mormons the fLDS who “follow the prophet”, Joseph Smith in polygamy
while the SLC lot are waiting until their polygamist Mormon jesus returns so that they too can then be full time polygamists again...
Meanwhile several Mormons in political office in Utah are well known polygamists...
They still vote for polygamists...
Truly it is you that don't get it. Libertarians don;t get it. Anarchy is just as bad as tyranny. The Articles of Confederation should be the ideologically Utopian Libertarians' wake up call; much like the fall of Communism should be the wake up call for leftists.
Moral order is oppressive? LOL!!!! Things not reserved to the federal or the state are NOT reserved to the people? There was no law before government? ROTFLMAO!!! YOU want imposed anarchy!
Upholding and enforcing the law of the land in place BEFORE government -common law and recognized institution -maintaining moral order is one role of government as envisioned by the founders. Defining marriage is NOT the role of government. NOR is abandoning marriage the role of government.
Libertarians hold dear quite a few flawed Utopian ideas and laws regarding marriage are one of them --which is why Libertarians are politically irrelevant.
Beck’s next big event...
Restoring the City of Sodom...
This article is bull$shit. And too many FReepers have exhibited their absolute stupidity by falling for it.
I’m ashamed of the FReepers who condemn Glenn Beck based on this hit piece.
“Glenn Beck Defends Gay Marriage”? No, he doesn’t. He is simply providing a perspective that many Libertarians hold. I’m not even sure Beck himself believes this.
Friggen idiot FReepers, falling for every left-wing media attack. Idiots.
Anarchy is as much an enemy of freedom as is tyranny. Do the Articles of Confederation ring a bell with you?
The perverted concept of homosexual sex premised marriage is being pushed by the collectivists and those who do not oppose it are my enemies as much as those who themselves activeley promote the perversion upon society.
Thank you - I was really trying to keep my response civil.
I have no tolerance what-so-ever for libertarians. Their philosophy has nothing at all to do with the Constitution, Constitutional principles, real life, morality, good governance, lessons from history, real people, natural law, or anything other than adolescent fantasty, much of it fueled by the dope they want legalized.
And I say this as a former drug user, so I know exactly what I am talking about. I used to believe what they believe, more or less. I had never heard of libertarianism, but such crazy utopian “freedom” made a lot of sense to me in 1969 while “under the influence”....
You’re beating straw men to death.
You either consciously or unconciously equate not wanting homo-perversion pushed as normal and natural with wanting the huge disgustingly bloated unconstitutional fedgov that the GOP appears to be wedded to.
80 to 90% of what the fedgov does should be cancelled, jettisoned, tossed, eliminated.
You like to imagine (so that social conservatives can be the hated Enemy) that social conservatives want Huge Government. Nothing could be further from the truth.
BTW you did not address any of the points I made in my reply to you above.
Actually I did.
I have never claimed to be a libertarian.
I am not going to discuss the libertarian view on the world - I don’t prescribe to it...so I don’t understand why you think I would have to address your points. Go find a libertarian and debate that with them.
WTH is a social conservative?
You are either conservative or your not...
You either support free markets or you don’t...
You either believe the US Constitution is a contract between the federal government, the state and the individuals or you don’t...
The Constitution is very clear on what is allowed and what isn’t.
The federal government shouldn’t be involved in any of these issues.
The entire premise was to allow states to experiment to see what works and what doesn’t.
Every SINGLE time so called conservatives beg the federal government to SAVE them they immediately create a “victim” group that the Marxist/Communists can identify and pretend to be saving them and everything backfires and we ALL lose and Conservatism will be dead. We are months away from Conservatism being completely dead in this country.
So go ahead and keep player their game sucker - we get the government we deserve.
What exactly has the government ever done for you?
What do you think the government will do for or to your kids?
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