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War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure by Richard Branson
CNN ^ | 12/06/2012 | Richard Branson

Posted on 12/06/2012 2:25:44 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

Editor's note: Richard Branson is the founder of Virgin Group, with global branded revenues of $21 billion, and a member of the Global Drug Commission. Sir Richard was knighted in 1999 for his services to entrepreneurship. Watch today for Branson's interview with CNN/US' Erin Burnett Out Front at 7pm ET and tomorrow (12/7) with CNN International's Connect the World program at 4pm ET

(CNN) -- In 1925, H. L. Mencken wrote an impassioned plea: "Prohibition has not only failed in its promises but actually created additional serious and disturbing social problems throughout society. There is not less drunkenness in the Republic but more. There is not less crime, but more. ... The cost of government is not smaller, but vastly greater. Respect for law has not increased, but diminished."

This week marks the 79th anniversary of the repeal of Prohibition in December 1933, but Mencken's plea could easily apply to today's global policy on drugs.

We could learn a thing or two by looking at what Prohibition brought to the United States: an increase in consumption of hard liquor, organized crime taking over legal production and distribution and widespread anger with the federal government.

~snip~

As part of this work, a new documentary, "Breaking the Taboo," narrated by Oscar award-winning actor Morgan Freeman and produced by my son Sam Branson's indie Sundog Pictures, followed the commission's attempts to break the political taboo over the war on drugs. The film exposes the biggest failure of global policy in the past 40 years and features revealing contributions from global leaders, including former Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.

It is time we broke the taboo and opened up the debate about the war on drugs. We need alternatives that focus on education, health, taxation and regulation.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drugs; drugwar; legaldrugs; libertarianagenda; libertyagenda; prodope; profreedom; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: Responsibility2nd
Do you know who said this, and do you agree??

"I think we need to prioritize our law enforcement efforts, and if somebody's gonna smoke a joint in their house and not do anybody else any harm, then perhaps there are other things our cops should be looking at to engage in and try to clean up some of the other problems that we have in society."

161 posted on 12/07/2012 9:35:42 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The “surrender moneys” are the ones that think everyone should just STFU about having their doors kicked in, their dogs shot, their property confiscated, and their gun rights infringed and accept that this is just how it has to be in order to “win”.


162 posted on 12/07/2012 9:37:23 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Notary Sojac

You already said “Evidence, please” in post 125. In order to spare you embarrassment, I was kind enough then to refrain from mentioning a cool site called Google. You may have heard of it.

Do your own damn research. Then come back and tell me I was right.


163 posted on 12/07/2012 9:37:42 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
You tell me your answer to the problem.

My answer to the problem of "illegal" drug abuse is the same as my answer to the abuse of any other mind altering substance.

Education about its effects
The right of employers to test and to fire those impaired
Swift punishment for anyone putting others at risk while impaired

End of story.

164 posted on 12/07/2012 9:40:38 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: Notary Sojac
Yes I know who said that. It was the same person who said;
""If we're talking about pot, I'm not for the legalization of pot. I think that would just encourage our young people to think that it was OK to go ahead and use it.”

165 posted on 12/07/2012 9:41:45 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Do you think the US government can control them? Do you think the US could enforce price controls on drugs? Why would they? This is still a free market economy and if legal, idiots will still pay a hundred bucks for a hit.

You have made a very effective argument against yourself. If it was a free market the US could no longer keep the prices propped up. Driven by a free market, prices would crash. The US is in effect keeping the prices high and profits even higher with the current policy.

I get it. You maintain the gubmint benefits from the WOD.

It does

Yet we know (from ending Prohibition) that legalization will ONLY INCREASE the power and control of government in our personal lives.

Please cite one example of a dynamic entry in the last ten years to bring to justice a dangerous gang of Moet Chandon distributors or Glenlivit pushers. What unconstitutional asset asset forfeiture laws have been passed to stop this out of control nuisance? How many dogs have been shot or houses burned down to protect the kids from breaking into the family liquor stash?

166 posted on 12/07/2012 9:41:45 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Oh look, another FR thread on the War on some Drugs. Complete with all the usual half-truths, bad logic, ignorance of history and human nature, and the usual suspects...

On both sides.

Let's cut the crap.

Abuse of drugs is a bad thing.

A government big enough to combat those issues is FAR worse.

/thread

167 posted on 12/07/2012 9:43:30 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Notary Sojac
Do your own damn research.

It's not NJ's job to do your homework for you - YOU made the claim so the burden is on YOU to back it up ... or be exposed as a lazy ignoramus.

168 posted on 12/07/2012 9:45:04 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: Responsibility2nd
That's not the way it works. You don't get to make up a "fact" and then challenge others to disprove it.

Alcohol use dropped dramatically in the first couple of years of prohibition and then rose gradually to about 80-90 percent of the pre-prohibition level by 1930. It remained at about that level throughout the 1930's after repeal.

169 posted on 12/07/2012 9:47:29 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: tacticalogic

Yeah. And let me rub it in... er ah, I mean remind you that you and your type are in the minority here at FRee Republic.

And beside; not “everyone” gets their doors kicked in.....

And I see what you did there. Now you are trying to tie gun right infringements to the WOD.

That’s a stretch.


170 posted on 12/07/2012 9:48:40 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Do you agree with the quote in #161. Yes or no.


171 posted on 12/07/2012 9:49:52 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; tacticalogic
you and your type are in the minority here at FRee Republic

Another made-up "fact". There are no polls on FR any more, so there's no way to be sure who's in the minority.

And even if "my type" was, so what??

May I reiterate...

So what??

172 posted on 12/07/2012 9:53:03 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: Notary Sojac

No.


173 posted on 12/07/2012 9:55:12 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Notary Sojac
You don't get to make up a "fact" and then challenge others to disprove it.

That's the Drug Warriors' stock in trade.

174 posted on 12/07/2012 9:56:04 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: Responsibility2nd
As I often point out - there is no serious conservative anywhere who endorses legal drugs. This is a leftist issue.

Absolutely! We need to move towards banning even more drugs, since they have a clearly adverse effect on our society.

Keep the ban on marijuana, cocaine etc., and add to that the even more insidious drugs out there.

Alcohol, nicotine (all tobacco products) and a good many of the current prescription drugs (Oxycontin kills more per year than heroin and cocaine combined) should all be banned completely. Imagine all the government jobs that will create!!

And while we're cracking down, let's make urine tests (and blood tests) mandatory for any paycheck, be it from an employer or a government agency. We want to treat everyone equally fair.

175 posted on 12/07/2012 10:01:47 AM PST by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Ah. I see you both now want a clear definition on ending the WOD.

Well yes, heaven forbid. When one embarks on an endeavor of any sort, especially where endeavor = war, does it not make sense to define, up front, what constitutes success? How else would you define success or failure unless you had a baseline against which you can measure your efforts?

In the software world, for example, one does not waste time, money, and resources designing, building, and releasing into the marketplace an application without first defining a success metric, and measuring all efforts against that metric, whatever it may be. To do otherwise would be foolish, no?

It boggles the mind that you cannot - or will not - grasp this basic principle.

Essentially, what you're vigorously "arguing" for, here, is equivalent to spending unlimited time, money, and resources in developing and building an application that you can't even conceive of in your own mind, let alone "sell" to others. You're passionately arguing for a blank check to conduct an open-ended crusade, and you, one of your cause's most ardent proponents, don't even know what success looks like.

How in the world can you convince others to get on board if you can't even define what you want to accomplish?

And we're not talking about mere things like money here, because this is the political realm. We're dealing, also, with abstracts like freedom, liberty, federalism, and the principles of limited government . . . in an era in which the federal government is asking citizens to pay more to achieve even less.

You style yourself as the one of the only "true" conservatives worthy of commenting on Free Republic, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, ma'am, but what you really are is a progressive who has latched on to a progressive cause because it "feels" to you to be a conservative issue. And that's because you've gone beyond the theoretical and personalized it, making your enemies somehow subhuman in comparison to you. Anyone who has followed your posting history on Free Republic knows you loathe anyone who, by your standards, falls into the "liberal" or "libertarian" categories; you're merely advocating to give the federal government the power to crush anyone you deem unworthy to share in our great American experiment.

That's how progressives handle things. You don't like someone or something? Invent a government power to crush the opposition, and by all means, demand that the US military step in to do your dirty work for you.

176 posted on 12/07/2012 10:05:08 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Responsibility2nd
And I see what you did there. Now you are trying to tie gun right infringements to the WOD.

That’s a stretch.

The DEA was a willing participant in Fast and Furious.

177 posted on 12/07/2012 10:26:19 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
In the software world, for example, one does not waste time, money, and resources designing, building, and releasing into the marketplace an application without first defining a success metric, and measuring all efforts against that metric, whatever it may be. To do otherwise would be foolish, no?

You wanna use the software world to boost your argument? Fine. Tell me when that perfect software is written. Define it please. Let me know when we can end our need for new software. When we have that perfect "success metric" and no new metrics are necessary.

 

Anyone who has followed your posting history on Free Republic knows....

.... that I'm a happily married man. Just pointing that out since you don't even know that about me. Just as you know nothing about social conservatism.

 

You don't like someone or something? Invent a government power to crush the opposition, and by all means, demand that the US military step in to do your dirty work for you.

Dirty work? Hell yes. I respect the dirty work as you call it the military does. And if you don't agree that our borders are important enough to defend, then I suppose - like Ron Paul - you would like to slash in half our military budgets.

How libertarian of of you.

178 posted on 12/07/2012 10:26:43 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: tacticalogic

The DEA was a willing participant in Fast and Furious.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And the DEA answers and reports to.......?

(Hint. His initials are E.H.)


179 posted on 12/07/2012 10:30:36 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Let's cut the crap.

Abuse of drugs is a bad thing.

Did anyone here suggest otherwise?

A government big enough to combat those issues is FAR worse.

Amen!

180 posted on 12/07/2012 10:31:10 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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