Who Let the Jobs Out? Who is sending jobs overseas

Tea Party Tribune ^ | December 2, 2012 | Joathon Moseley

[1rudeboy]

If the products produced by US companies inside the US are going to be taxed at 35%, it is only fair to levy a stiff tax on imports to level the playing field.

Are you talking about the U.S. corporate income tax? If so, foreign companies pay it for any activity in which they engage in the U.S. (unless there is a specific tax treaty).

So that playing-field is already level. The uneven playing field is created by the U.S. Treasury taxing U.S. companies for their operations overseas, which creates the incentive for them to move away (and creating free-standing foreign subsidiaries).

[1rudeboy]

Look I am not arguing we have our problems, but the biggest problem we simply refuse to discuss it the export of millions of American jobs.

We discuss it a lot. And it has been repeatedly explained to you that jobs will not be "brought back" by increasing taxes on ourselves.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

I think it is long overdue to simply end all benefits to American corporations which move overseas.

And punish those which import.

Move jobs back to America, and stop importing everything.

We have swung (wildly) in favor of imports. That must end.

[Navy Patriot]

For that entire time, the world has not been reciprocating.

Sure they have, they have been sending Communist agitators and community organizers to infiltrate America, plus investing whopping amounts of their own funds to secure Communists in the Marxist Rat party.

Foreign nations have invested heavily in America's industry that produces socialist big government regulation, law and communist unions. We have plenty of their product, made in America and produced in America by American (government) Union workers.

The final bit of irony is that this product was DESIGNED overseas.

We have found ourselves on the short end of that stick.

It's a hundred years since we should have turned that stick around, you're waaaay too late.

[1rudeboy]

And punish those which import.

I'm highlighting the above sentence because it is textbook scape-goating. You cannot, on the one hand, claim that the benefit of your policy (jobs) accrues to the individual, but on the other hand, argue that the cost (taxes) accrues to an inanimate object.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

I do not share your pessimism, but we must start now.

If we do not reverse the export of American jobs right now, we will never win back the presidency.

At least as Republicans.

[factoryrat]

You know, it’s funny that that the individuals who are involved in shipping jobs overseas complain about the “47%” of people now on the dole, have to now reckon with the fact that those very same people didn’t disappear off of the face of the earth when their jobs were outsourced. Now, they’re faced with have to pay for those people through higher taxes to cover their unemployment and welfare costs, along with subsidizing imported labor legal and illegal. I whole thing reeks of a get rich quick scheme, where the major players are hoping to outrun the impending collapse they’ve initiated, paying off their government cronies, placating the masses, and disappearing somewhere else to start their ponzi scheme again. Sounds like a looting spree to me.

[blueunicorn6]

We are. People are going to seek out their best economic advantage. That’s why calling Democrat voters idiots shows a misunderstanding of reality. They’re just voting for what they perceive as being in their best economic interest. Your toaster breaks. You like toast, so you go to buy a new one. You can buy an American made one for $30 or a Chinese made one for $20. Features are the same. Which one do you buy? I know most people will buy the Chinese one. They believe that they have “saved” ten dollars and they will have that money to buy other things. We have to use our competitive advantages if we are going to manufacture anything in this country. We have tremendous natural resources to provide low cost raw materials for manufacturing. Our workforce is as good as any in the world. Our energy could be quite cheap, but it isn’t. We have excellent means of transportation. What do we need? Leadership. Guts. Gumption. Better, smarter management. A government that realizes that “The business of America is business”. Good, strong American businesses provide the tax money that pays for government. We keep making the mistake of assuming that the Democrat leaders care about this country. They don’t. They care about enriching themselves and keeping the Democrat party in power so they can keep enriching themselves. I’m telling you, if the Democrat voters knew the hearts of their leaders they would string them up.

[1rudeboy]

I’d say it’s sad, really. The government creates the mess, then the government makes it worse, and then people complain about the individuals who ship jobs overseas (while simultaneously arguing that the government can fix the mess it created).

[Toddsterpatriot]

And punish those which import.

Yes! Let's start with imported oil.

Should we double the price of imported oil? Triple it?

[Mr. Jeeves]

If someone started a petition saying “Let’s repeal section 99 U.S.C. Section 1234 to stop outsourcing jobs,” probably 80% to 90% of citizens and elected officials would rush to sign.

There is one just like that, and Boehner can do it in January: zero out funding for the EPA.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Bingo.

That is the simple fact the current setup has proven, that the system as currently structured will de-industrialize and ruin America.

Completely.

Time for a (big) change.

[WMarshal]

I totally agree. Tariffs on imported goods help turn the U.S. from an agrarian society to a manufacturing giant and world power. The only people who really bitched about tariffs in the 18th and 19th centuries was the Old South slaveholding gentry. Those bastards became rich with slave labor and by having control over a crop that could not be competed with by the fact that Europe could not really grow its own cotton.

[Navy Patriot]

Sorry Cringing, I can't help you.

What you propose is simply impossible under Economic Natural Law.

I also cannot make a perpetual motion machine work because of Physical Law (also part of Natural Law).

If I could, I'd be driving a Volt with a wind generator mounted on the roof, and be giving the finger to the Saudi's, Chavez, and Zer0's gas prices and taxes.

Again, ironically, the Volt is an economically unviable, subsidized, crony capitalist, American worker made, in America, technologically substandard, Fascist vehicle that runs on coal.

No sarcasm or denigration was used in this post.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Well for what it’s worth, I have never advocated buying a Chevy Volt.

:D

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Can't we at least force the "American" corporations to decide between America and funding the Chinese Communists' Peoples Liberation Army; between lobbying Congress for what's best for America and lobbying for what's best for Red China?

To wit, decide to stay here or move all to Red China. They are going to lose everything anyhow when Deng's version of Lenin's New Economic Policy (NEP) is fully implemented. It's accomplished much of its purpose.. the only things left are to see that there is enough wealth to prevent revolution, take the "useful idiot's" property, and put them on a slow boat to America.

Washington Times, June 27, 2005 Thefts of U.S. Technology Boost China's Weaponry (By Bill Gertz)

Rudy Guerin, a senior FBI counterintelligence official in charge of China affairs, said the Chinese aggressively exploit their connections to U.S. corporations doing business in China. "They go straight to the companies themselves," he said. Many U.S. firms doing business in China, including such giants as Coca-Cola, Boeing and General Motors, use their lobbyists on behalf of Beijing. "We see the Chinese going to these companies to ask them to lobby on their behalf on certain issues," Mr. Guerin said, "whether it's most-favored-nation trade status, [World Health Organization], Falun Gong or other matters."

Washington Times article by Bill Gertz in the Congressional Record, submitted by Rep. Frank Wolk

[ROCKLOBSTER]

You know, it’s funny that that the individuals who are involved in shipping jobs overseas complain about the “47%” of people now on the dole, have to now reckon with the fact that those very same people didn’t disappear off of the face of the earth when their jobs were outsourced.

You know, it's funny, BUT!

It's not their duty to provide YOU with a job. That is your job.

[morphing libertarian]

GE and the CEO is one of OBs jobs advisors. Go figure!

[factoryrat]

I agree that the government is a large part of the problem, but they’re not the only party involved in this mess. There are plenty of manipulators from the private sector involved also.

[Moseley]

1rudeboy writes: I think it is long overdue to simply end all benefits to American corporations which move overseas. And punish those which import.

I think Paul Schiffer's proposed bill provides a defensible distinction for when to punish imports. If China is selling a native Chinese product, it is not fair to punish them exporting their products. But if they are building a US product in China that was simply transported to China, I think we can refuse to recognize that as an authentically Chinese product. It is a US product whose factory was simply moved from the USA to China.