Posted on 11/30/2012 2:24:58 PM PST by DogByte6RER
California Police Wish Gun Owners Would Just Comply with Robbers
If a couple of thugs break into your place of business and point a gun in your face, then you would be perfectly justified in opening fire on them, right? Well, maybe not. San Jose police are giving one gun owner a stern tsk-tsk after she defended her property from a pair of armed thieves.
According to ABC Local 7 News, a pair of thieves wearing masks and hooded sweatshirts burst into a San Jose jewelry store at 10:15 a.m. on Monday. At least one of the would-be thieves was armed.
The thieves probably thought that they were going to make off with a bag full of bling, but instead they nearly caught a bullet. The store owner, who was reportedly a woman, drew a pistol and leveled it at the two would-be thieves. She fired at least one shot but did not strike either of them – it is unclear whether that was a warning shot or if she simply missed.
Either way, the bullet did its job. The two thieves quickly fled the store and made their escape in an SUV. Cops are currently looking for leads on the two suspects. According to Yahoo News, they are examining video surveillance and other tapes for clues.
In the meantime, the police are giving gun owners a piece of their mind. Albert Morales, the San Jose Police spokesman, said, "We don't recommend (drawing a gun or firing). We would have preferred that they just go ahead and comply with the request or demands of the robbers. Again they were after material items that could be replaced and again our biggest fear is that somebody would have gotten hurt, injured and possibly even died."
You know who else would have preferred that the jewelry store owner had just complied? The thieves. Who would’ve thought that cops and robbers would ever be able to agree on something?
Despite this, the police have not pressed charges against the gun owner – probably because all she did was exercise a perfectly legal Constitutional right. The police agree that it's OK to open fire, but they're just expressing how much they dislike it. That isn't a big deal, right?
The problem is that when a statement like that comes from police, the subtle implication is that there’s something inherently immoral or illegal about using a gun in self-defense. It could give people the wrong impression about firearms -- whether that’s intentional or accidental is an entirely different debate.
If Morales should be scolding anybody, it should be the pair of thieves who threatened that woman. The fact of the matter is that there's nothing wrong with using a gun in self-defense as long as you comply with the laws in your locality. The opinion of the San Jose police is simply that -- an opinion.
Why don't you weigh in with your opinion? Did the store owner do the right thing, or should people across America put up their hands and do whatever robbers say? We know that thieves could get behind that slogan, but what do you think?
My answer to you is to suggest, .357 rounds with OO buck, because they work at close range when you want to send your very best!
Better coverage and less down range.
I think I’m pretty much done with this thread now, its getting pretty tedious, but before I go, I just have this to say. Both of you did have some good points, but I found them to be rather unnecessarily wrapped up in personal attacks and insults, despite which I have the intellectual integrity to admit have some validity with regards to your own personal experience.
You might find however, that in future, being respectful is a better way to persuade people to your point of view, because most people faced with your method of ‘debating’ would make it a matter of personal pride to stick to their own personal view no matter what, which leaves both parties back to where they started from and achieves nothing...
Unless of course your real reason for saying what you do is not actually to persuade someone to your point of view, but to gratify yourselves by hurling abuse and insults on those who you disagree with, which is an attitude I have seen mostly from leftists I have ‘debated’ with whose stubborn and tiresome adherence to PC dogma will brook no opposition or room to change their minds and simply like to scream abuse at others because they find it easier than actually putting the effort in to trying to reason their way to changing someone else’s mind. Maybe you guys should just think about that for next time, or just carry on hurling abuse. Whatever, your not getting paid to do this, so I suppose whatever floats your boat...
Hey Sins,
You have been honest to this point. I know you are getting your butt kicked by others here.
Most of these folks have been down “that road.”
You need to understand, black folk DON’T LIKE YOU. There is a “HATE WHITEY” environment out there that you just don’t understand. I have been hammered for 60 years about how “whitee” are the “bad guy”
Wanna see a bigoted racist? Look in the mirror and see that BLACK fu**k calling you out.
Hey Sins,
Where di “hurl abuse”?
Like most commie lefties, you accuse me of sins that only YOU have committed.
Have a good night. You can’t come near me in terms of education and knowledge.
Want to compare degrees?
If you refrain from posting on subjects of which you have absolutely no knowledge or understanding you might find more respect from the other posters.
Rather than asking questions on a subject that you clearly are totally unfamiliar with you decided to spout advice on said subject.
Really bad and stupid advice.
Then you started telling us what is and is not about situations you have never been in. After all this do you really think you have earned anyone’s respect?
Really?
I don’t have a clue what it is like in England or wherever you hail from but here is a little tip from Texas, don’t talk smack when you don’t know jack or you might get your ass in a crack.
I’m perfectly aware that there are some evil a-holes out there, fortunately, with one or two exceptions, they’ve rarely bothered with me. I’ll be honest with you, if I was living/working in certain areas of the US I certainly would carry a gun and more importantly, make sure I was trained to use it properly.
I live in England however (well spotted whoever did that). England is quite a densely populated country, and you are never too far from another person. Most of us don’t even live in detached houses (we tend to live in semi-detatched, terraced houses, or apartments. From my perspective, it is easy to imagine the danger posed by flying bullets if they were used, even in home defence. This is the concern I have with the use of guns in self-defence, I don’t have a problem in bad guys suffering from their own stupidity, but they are not the only factor, and that is the main point I have been driving at. When I look at some of the people surrounding me, the idea of them having a gun that fires bullets at high-velocity doesn’t inspire me with confidence, and it strikes me that most people seriously overlook this fact when they are talking about guns and self-defence. When I read the story about her shooting at the robbers and missing I just imagine bullets flying into the high street with other people about and I understood why the police would have concerns with this, which nobody else seemed to have even considered. Frankly, if its a choice between letting the robbers take the stuff, and innocents getting hurt (i.e. not just you) then I say let the robbers take it and let the police catch up with them later.
Really? What part of this:
Eaker, What we have here is a failure to communicate. Sins is a bureauKaRatz. No dialog can ever happen with a RATZ. They are a breed apart. They feed off the public teet and believe in their hearts that that is their “entitlement.” Their scut families and their little rug rats are their pride. You, you low life civilian, are here only to feed their insatiable appetite for government “bennies.” They are the “King’s Men”, and you are here to feed them. Its a low point in the Republic. It was predicted. Sins is a product of the commie pig bastards that have undermined us. Later.
Do you consider to be anything other than abuse? And no, I'm not interested in your degree or education. I, in common with many people here, have met some real idiots educated to PhD level and some of the wisest people I've ever met have left school before they were 16, so I don't consider achievements in formal education to be the defining benchmark of wisdom and intelligence. They are quite commonly used by some people that think degree certificates are some kind of trump card in winning an argument, no matter whether their qualifications are relevant to the subject at hand or not. Again, a tactic I've often seen in leftists...
“There is a “HATE WHITEY” environment out there that you just don’t understand.”
What you said is a shot between the eyes for me. I’m still analyzing all this racist crap from blacks who I used to call brother when I was serving the Corps, and I’m not liking what I see.
If blacks keep attacking whites because of the color of their skin, I’m going to turn against these racist blacks and pour down hellfire and brimstone.
This statement right here is why have haven't gotten nor deserve any respect. I have seldom seen a more pompous and self impressed piece of blather in my life.
You really think you are the only one who considered this? You are sure as hell a lot more impressed with yourself than any of us are.
There are little thing that gun owners think about every time they pick up a weapon such as know your target and what's behind it. Also never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to destroy.
Little fella I really feel sorry for you if you think that none of us have thought about every single thing that you can imagine and then some.
As to the England thing some of your posts were so self aggrandizing in a pussified way that it was clear that you aren't an American.
I agree with this 100%.
If blacks keep attacking whites because of the color of their skin, I’m going to turn against these racist blacks and pour down hellfire and brimstone.
I agree with this 1000%.
>> “As to the England thing some of your posts were so self aggrandizing in a pussified way that it was clear that you aren’t an American.” <<
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Zakly!
Again, the robbers had a gun. The woman took the appropriate action. Her only mistake was not hitting the robbers.
We get that the police would have been surrounding your bullet-riddled body with a chalk outline in the same situation. It now is becoming clear to me why Brits gave up their gun rights and their gonads to the UK nanny state.
Hi DesertRhino,
I read your post, I wouldn’t say its impossible to convince me, I am, unlike many people, open to having my mind changed, if the evidence convinces me. I can understand the point about becoming ‘tunnel visioned’ and more focused in a crisis, I’ve felt it happen, but I’ve never had to use it, so I suppose I don’t know whether it would have worked or not. I have noticed however, that under periods of less than life-threatening stress in an unaccustomed situation, my performance level has decreased in a training situation, its those sorts of situations where I have felt that if I had to use a gun, my aim would have been pretty rubbish.
Thank you! As a so called “grannie” I’m not about to give up my weapons.... some smart*** might thing a little old lady was easy pickings and I’d be happy to teach him we’re not!
;)
Ping to TheMom!
Good for her!
But I highly recommend some extra range time!
Sometimes. Your discipline is lacking.
amen. That is exactly my take on it.
You beat me to it. I agree.
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