Posted on 11/29/2012 9:03:06 PM PST by Arthurio
House Speaker John Boehner, Ohio Republican, made it clear that any bill that came to the House from the upper chamber as a result of Senate Democrats changing the rules on the filibuster would be "dead on arrival." In a statement released from Speaker Boehner's office, the Ohio GOP'er remarked:
“Senate Democrats’ attempt to break Senate rules in order to change Senate rules is clearly designed to marginalize Senate Republicans and their constituents while greasing the skids for controversial partisan measures. I question the wisdom of this maneuver, especially at a time when cooperation on Capitol Hill is critical, and fully support Leader McConnell’s efforts to protect minority rights, which are an essential part of our constitutional tradition. Any bill that reaches a Republican-led House based on Senate Democrats’ heavy-handed power play would be dead on arrival.”
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Why would the House have a vote on filibuster rules in the Senate? The filibuster is not in the Constitution either. McC complains about weaking it, but McC rarely uses it anyway. Neither did his predecessors. Senators don’t like to stay in session around the clock for real filibusters. McC and Boehner are total sell-outs, based on their past behavior.
The House can’t make such judicial changes now, for Reid would not bring them up. Depending on Boehner is as useless as a one-legged clothespin.
OK, I see your point. We can “trust” Boehner but will he “verify”, in Reagan’s words, that trust?
in regards to the judiciary, the house does not need the senate to do these things.. if they choose to impeach a judge, then it goes to the senate for trial, but to redistrict and rearrange the courts, the senate has no say, nor does fubo...
this power is delegated to the house alone
Every time I read that Boehner’s speaking I envision a yapping chihuahua.
Never would have thought it would require legislation to change Senate rules. Couldn’t the Senate just handle such rule changes internally?(with 60 votes of course)
Well said.
We never support these guys when they try to make at least a stab at doing the right thing, so why should they care about our opinion (which is always negative)? Negativity has gotten us where we are today, which is not a good thing.
Yes, the filibuster can be a very nasty weapon in the hands of the Dems, but we certainly don’t need them changing the rule now when it is our only defense.
It’s pretty obvious that the Dems are expecting the GOP, even in the Senate, to stand up and fight back this time around and want to eliminate any possibility of their doing so.
The republicans will cave in. That’s what republicans do. So, it really doesn’t matter if the filibuster gets jettisoned. With it or without it, the democrats will gain due to our spineless, supposedly, “severely” conservative party that gave us a loser, liberal presidential candidate.
At least we could get the end of the filibuster out of all this phony republican tough talk.
You aren’t going to like the answer, but I will give it.
Until the Republicans drop their obsession with abortion, they will lose the vote among women.
If I were in D.C., I would have DESTROYED Reid by now. The R’s are cowards.
You’re correct, but it isn’t their obsession with abortion, but their obsession with zero tolerance absolutism. Whenever you have sharp disagreement on an issue in a republic you need education, argumentation and time. I’d employ the same strategy that is used against gun control.
Can’t we agree that at some point during a pregnancy the baby becomes human? Work back from the point of passage through the birth canal. Is a baby human a minute before? An hour before? A day before? A week? Then a month? How many months?
Women are sensitive about their sex organ and their uniquely feminine issues with it. Stating that rape is “of God” will lose that vote. Placing the emphasis on the baby as a living thing, places the onus on the pro-abortion side. Mourdock and Akin were fools. Had they explained their views logically and thoughtfully they’d have won.
The media is an extension of the progressive movement. But, it can be used to the benefit of conservatives. If they’re not stupid about it. The other problem are voters who take an all or nothing attitude toward politics. The history of politics is incrementalism v. revolution. Revolutions fail nearly always because all human action begins with a thought. The battles are always of ideas - physical weapons cannot defeat an idea. Look at history.
” McC and Boehner are total sell-outs, based on their past behavior.”
Correct, and I expect both will get worse.
I think you stated it very well. I would have written something similar, if I wasn’t using my phone.
But, it isn’t just the people you mentioned. The party is full of activists with the same absolutist attitude, and they prevent any compromise.
In all fairness, there are similar people on the other side, that will accept no compromise, either.
Kinda like Lincoln and Slavery, eh?
Correct me if I am wrong - but wouldn’t this be a Senate rules change - NOT legislation submitted to the House?
I don’t believe anyone can point me to the legislation establishing the filibuster in the Senate - because it isn’t legislation subject to passage by both houses of Congress and signed by the President.
The Constitution provides that...”Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings”.
I understand the skepticism of many here and I do share that, but if Boehner does the right thing, then we need to support him like you said, but we still need to hold his feet to the fire and make sure he goes through with it. Maybe we should all call him and tell time to not cave and make a stand for us.
Dead on arrival?
Yah, right. Boehner the crybaby will fold quicker than a wet single ply of toilet paper, before he would ever stand in the way of the demoRATs or 0dumb0shit! All 0dumb0 has to do is to give Boehner/Boner another free pass to the tanning booth and Boehner will cry and then fold. What an a__hole for a majority leader. Could we swap Nazi Pelosi for Boehner/Boner ?
Great post.
Yes, that is true.
However, our republic benefits from many checks and balances.
The power of a minority in the Senate was established by Senate rules and can be changed by the Senate whenever it wishes to change its own rules.
The power of the Republican MAJORITY in the House is established by the Constitution. Laws only take effect if both the Senate and the House approve and the bill is then signed by the President.
Boehner is making the statement that the power of the House will be used to maintain the power of the Republican minority in the Senate. Reid can ignore Boehner and proceed with changing the rules in the Senate.
What Reid cannot accomplish is forcing Boehner and the House majority to approve any bill passed by a simple majority in the Senate. Effectively, Boehner can "filibuster" any bill passed in the Senate by not bringing it up for a vote in the House or by having the Republican majority in the House vote against such a bill. The effect is the same; the bill passed in the Senate will fail to become law.
The exception to this power of a majority in the House involves those powers of the Senate which do not require any action by the House, such as the confirmation of Supreme Court Justices and other Presidential appointments or the ratification of Treaties.
I would be happy to see any level of obstruction possible by the House if it insured that the non-liberal majority on the Supreme Court is maintained.
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